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| Lateralus Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Ohio Posts: 185  
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So you want to have another vote after anti Brexit propaganda has been generously distributed?
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28th Jan 2019 1:21pm |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 1032  
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That's not what's generally being asked. With the EU, it's more a case of 'we'll keep asking until you give us the answer we want to hear'
Worked in Ireland. |
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28th Jan 2019 1:52pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 866  
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The whole mess has been media inspired.
In its simplest terms, whether or not the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, it’s accepted that we must continue to fulfil our financial obligations until the current “Multiannual Financial Framework” - TO WHICH WE AGREED AND VOTED - ends in 2020 (and, of course, we'll continue to receive funding for EU projects, the Thatcher rebate etc.). The long-term EU budget 2021-2027 being prepared and discussed at this very moment and which will be approved by a European Parliament newly elected this year doesn’t include any financial contribution from the UK and, of course, there’ll be no UK MEPs to vote on it. But newspapers continue to refer to a “Divorce Bill”; I simply cannot speak to anybody who see it like that or imagines “they need our money and will come crawling”. They’re more realistic on the other side of the Channel, for example their farmers simply observing “The financing of the new priorities proposed for the EU (defense, immigration, digital …) supposes in the Commission’s plan to ask the existing policies to cut their budgets both to compensate for the departure of the British net contributor and to fund the proposed new policies. This is the case for the CAP for which the Commission proposes a decrease of 19.6 billion in current euros over the period, plus a loss in real annual value of the amount of inflation, accentuating the erosion initiated since the 2000s of the CAP budget in the European budget” No media hype, no histrionics, they’re just getting on with it. They won’t - and CAN’T - “call it all off”. The UK can, and I’m one of those who think we should. The only thing I can agree with Brexiteers about is that the “Draft Agreement on the withdrawal of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland from the European Union and the European Atomic Energy Community, as agreed at negotiators' level on 14 November 2018” which the PM expects Parliament to approve, is a joke. Peter |
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28th Jan 2019 2:46pm |
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| windy81 Member Since: 14 Mar 2018 Location: North Wales Posts: 311  
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'It simply came from ordinary people feeling alienated from its rulers.' This post is lovely to read, but can i add to your excerpt above in that i personally voted 'Leave' because as a British person i feel we've lost our identity which has been diluted and mixed in with Europe. I'm British, Welsh, whatever, but ultimately I'm not European, and never ever felt European. Every news or article i hear or read, blathers on about the economic disaster of Brexit. Isn't identity important ? and what about our sense of pride as a nation ? I never hear this being discussed. In a world of money i guess the gravy train has long gone and left the station and now the heavy hitters are too upset to let this slide without uproar and media frenzy. |
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28th Jan 2019 4:05pm |
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)| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
You see propaganda fella I see the truth they tried to hide coming out into the open for once!You have a bufoon for a president We have a bunch of self serving mendacious toffs lining their pockets with pieces of silver at our expense! |
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28th Jan 2019 7:40pm |
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| Joe the Plumber Member Since: 18 Dec 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 907 
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I voted leave and I knew how I'd vote as soon as Mr C announced the referendum. I didn't need to know any more details from either side as the decision was from my heart.
I have not the slightest regret about my vote and would vote the same way again, except that it would be pointless as if there is another referendum, all it will prove is that the government doesn't take any notice of the results of them. However, we must remember that all politics is merely noise. There is no substance to it at all. You can't hold it in your hand, it exists only in your mind. The only political decision of my lifetime I can think of that has had a direct bearing on my life has been the banning of smoking in pubs and restaurants (etc). I'm still delighted about it. I'm certain Brexit will have little or no impact on the vast majority of us, leavers or remainers. After we leave, if there are tariffs from one side, the other will also impose them and cancel each other out. If there is more paperwork to do to import and export, it will very quickly become normality and mean nothing. Any delays at our borders will cause temporary disruption but this will soon be factored into everyone's timescales and cease to be an issue. I'm prepared to pay a bit more for things if necessary, but I very much doubt it will be. I spent the first two weeks of this year avoiding all news in any format, and it was bliss. When I started looking at it again, I'd missed nothing of any consequence. Try it, it's most relaxing. The bottom line is this. We need to get on, get out and then start sorting out the issues that actually really matter in this country, such as homelessness, crime, the proliferation of beards and people who start, like, every sentence with 'So'...! Trust me, I'm a plumber. |
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28th Jan 2019 7:50pm |
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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
As i said we will muddle through ......but its a tad more complicated than you appear to make out!I also said these elections are won by floating voters and not by the coolade drinkers on either side!The heart is not always the best organ to use for decisions of this magnitude!
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28th Jan 2019 8:13pm |
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| Joe the Plumber Member Since: 18 Dec 2013 Location: Midlands Posts: 907
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It's only complicated if people choose to make it complicated. You're quite right though, it will all be fine.
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28th Jan 2019 8:32pm |
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| Lateralus Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Ohio Posts: 185
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I love it when people on the left call our president stupid etc. because it's more of a reflection on who he ran against, seasoned politicians, "the most experienced ever to run" with over 2 billion dollars to spend against Trump, with over 90% support from the major media networks, who even had people like snoop dog actively campaigning for Hillary lol.....and lost. Epic election for sure and you can bet all of us that supported Trump, support the Brits right to reign in their sovereignty and identity . |
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28th Jan 2019 10:30pm |
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| Projectblue Member Since: 22 Nov 2011 Location: Devon Posts: 1096 
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Why do Americans immediately call anyone who says Trump is a buffoon a leftie?
Ok, so Nitram then went on to say that toffs are lining their pockets with our silver, which could be construed as being anti capitalist or anti establishment etc etc. But here is the rub. I support the notion Trump is a buffoon. He is off the f***ing chain mate. Alan Sugar is more sensible and considered than that bloke - and he's an East barrow boy who got lucky when computers arrived and has made nothing of any note ever since the '80's. Please note, this isn't a knock of America, Americans or any political party. I couldn't care less which party you have in power. I just laugh at where you've got yourselves. Which is even funnier when you consider where we are. No one has a crystal ball. No one knows how good/bad it will be. But I guarantee you this. You and I will stay poor and the elite will get richer. And I'm not a socialist. I'm just middle of the road, middle manager watching my taxes get  away by people who claim they have my best interests at heart when all they wanted to do was set themselves up.
The last person to entire Govt with an honest intention was Guy Fawkes. New project and it's green: www.projectoverland.info |
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29th Jan 2019 12:09am |
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| Lateralus Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Ohio Posts: 185
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It's just a knee jerk reaction.
You are concerned about the rich getting richer but I'll bet you dont mind more stringent regulations to curb "man man climate change". Ill bet you agree to Paris climate agreements. Ill bet you dont mind politicians opening up your towns to poor foreigner workers who will change your culture and your economic structure. Many countries in Europe and the United States are being "fundamentally changed" though immigration, among them are those with radical views on religion and marriage and a whole host of things. In the US a flood of immigration whittles away at our working class, putting Americans in construction and other blue collar jobs, out of work. Immigration is one of the many ways the "rich elite" F you and me while they fill your head full of lies that we are a global community that must be open for the good of everyone. Their intentions aren't for the betterment of Germany, Sweden, Great Britain or the United States of America. Granted that Great Britain hasn't taken in as many immigrants/refugees as Germany and Sweden but the same self destructive mindset is pervasive and spread by the status quo. As for American politics and how stupid we are to elect Trump: we went from a president who shamed American business, American energy, American labor, and who lined his cabinet with wall street cronies, to a president that has championed America and it's people and industry. Our last presidents best accomplishment was being the first American president of color and his biggest legislative victory was the affordable care act which drove health care prices up and enriched the pockets of health insurance company's. Our last president had virtually no executive experience or business sense. Gave billions of cash to Iran and spent billions of tax dollars wasted on green energy projects that didnt amount to jack. The election of Trump was in large part a reaction to failed policys from 2008 to 2016 of which Hillary Clinton ran on and endorsed. |
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29th Jan 2019 12:46am |
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| nitram17 Member Since: 08 Jun 2014 Location: newcastle Posts: 2261 |
Your president is a buffoon! a very successful one I will give you that !but that highlights the state of political discourse in the usa and the stupidity of the folks in the rust belt!Your great country deserves better and the sooner you get rid of that walking talking bile bag the safer the world will be! |
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29th Jan 2019 12:54am |
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| Lateralus Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Ohio Posts: 185
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Where is political discourse in America: politcal correctness, feminism, post modernism, hostility towards the nuclear family taught and pushed by progressive professors on our campuses and activist students with huge college dept with majors like feminine studies. Major corporations in tech and internet social networking promote these values with other major corporations following behind, virtue signaling in their advertising. Opposing thought is screamed at, boycotted and marginalized through campus protest, late night comedy and talk shows carpet bomb those who dont heel to the establishment.
At the same time the left attacks the traditional family and its values, it is insistent on letting as many people into America as possible to upset our social fabric and agitate with identity politics. The more people who depend on our social safety net, the more the left can push their war on individual wealth and sow those seeds of discourse. They are dividing us by gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, economic status, and environmental issues. It's happening in your countries too and we are all being brought to heel. One day we may wake up and not recognize the places we grew up in, and not in a better way. What they are pushing isnt progress. |
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29th Jan 2019 3:34am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3301
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Delays and rising costs may seem a mere inconvenience worth baring to yourself but for many small and medium-sized businesses it would be a disaster. They will struggle or even go to the wall. Big businesses won't tolerate the threat of a loss in profits, they will instead just pack up and leave. Some have already done so. If we have *no free trade agreement the motor and aerospace industries will likely disappear from our shores overnight. they have all publicly stated as much. The effects would be devastating and last a generation not only in some communities but the nation as a whole. I can definitely relate to your thinking on crime and homelessness, it's a big problem right now but historically it always spikes in times of financial hardship so expect a rise over the next few years. How much will depend on the final Brexit deal. Hopefully a free trade agreement can be can be struck to limit the damage. Leaving with *no free trade deal would be absolutely devastating to our country. *Edit: So as not to cause any further distress and for clarity I have substituted the words 'hard Brexit' for 'no free trade agreement'. Last edited by Zed on 29th Jan 2019 5:18pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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29th Jan 2019 8:08am |
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