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camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3382 |
A number of the current 'AT' tyres are also 'Winter rated' (i.e. have the snowflake ratings.)
BFG KO2s are one example and Ive found them to be excellent in snow and ice over the last couple of winters. 2 sets of wheels and tyres would be a proper pain, unless you were running pure on road tyres in the summer. Click image to enlarge |
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13th Sep 2018 10:19am |
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Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5859 |
Frankly, your second option is a lot of effort when as already mentioned BFG KO2s absolutely do the job. I live in the Alps year round, and have had no problems, even with all the snow last year. Click image to enlarge Rarely are the roads to major ski stations so bad you’ll need full winter tyres (and chains). Of course there is the argument that winter tyres are good for any road conditions below about 7c, so if you were to put them on at the beginning of winter and keep them on for the whole season, (as done by normal cars here), then it would be worth it. But if you’re thinking of a full winter set-up just for the week you’re skiing, at a grand for wheels and tyres, that’s a lot of ski passes or fondue. IMHO BFG KO2s will do all you need them to.... Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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13th Sep 2018 10:37am |
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windy81 Member Since: 14 Mar 2018 Location: North Wales Posts: 311 |
Not in the least envious of you Grenadier, honestly.
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13th Sep 2018 12:25pm |
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Countryman2 Member Since: 18 Mar 2018 Location: The North Posts: 53 |
My 90 has the original Continental Cross Contact AT M+S 235/85 R 16c tyres. This will be my first winter with the car in the snowy north of England. Although M+S presumably means mud and snow, there is no snowflake symbol. Does anyone know how they will perform in snow? There’s loads of tread left.
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13th Sep 2018 1:18pm |
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Dunc99 Member Since: 25 Oct 2015 Location: Lake District Posts: 8 |
My defender 90 came with BFG ATs but after they lost grip on a flat snow covered road and put me in a ditch, I switched to Cooper Discoverer M+S 215/85r16 which have performed brilliantly in snow in the winter (Beast from the East in Cumbria) and festival mud in the summer and greenlanes all year round.
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13th Sep 2018 1:42pm |
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MadTom Member Since: 10 Sep 2013 Location: Olomouc Posts: 629 |
New BFG AT KO2 are OK in winter, but only for first one or two years. No problem in deep snow, but on compacted snow or ice you can be surprised moving only straight. Problem is also in braking. Real winter tires are better.
I have 3 sets of tires (AT for trips and summer, MT for pay in mud ad Winter for winter) for Discovery 2 and for Defender 130. I have seen some Defender tipped over in winter on MT tires. And it was very fast. My personal experience is - with Defender on MT in deep snow I was king, on compacted snow it was nice, but not best braking performance, on clean ice it moved nice, but no steering and no braking - so the car has chosen to go straight through crossing with another road. Colleague in second car with winter tyres was able to stop, but it was tight for him. The difference is not big, but it is there. "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "Blufínek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo |
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13th Sep 2018 1:47pm |
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apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547 |
They will probably be fine in snow, especially fresh snow. It's compacted, polished snow and frost & ice that I would be more worried about. Mine came with the Contis from new. My choice was to get a second set of take off wheels (which were very common a couple of years ago) and run the popular Nokian Hakka' LT2. Every year there is a similar discussion and someone usually says how their Turbo Muther Hugger MT were absolutely brilliant in the winter... apart from that one time when.... usually followed by an anecdote of going straight on at a bend or sliding out of control down a hill (or both) and often followed by a claim that no tyres would have made any difference. |
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13th Sep 2018 7:17pm |
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ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816 |
^^ You are nailing it. They are just good at huggering muther. I guess....
I’m about to order 4 new Nokian Hakka LT2 to replace my now 8 year old first generation LT. Careful driving and those new boots will give reasonable peace of mind here up on our mountain for another 5 or more winters to come. Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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13th Sep 2018 7:41pm |
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Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4219 |
I will say they are ok in fresh snow and slush. We were caught in bad blizzards in northern Spain early this year. Motorway closed, so we crossed the mountains on back roads. We were waved through a police road block at the start of a pass just because Land Rovers get you special treatment anywhere in the world! Copper just lent in, pointed at diff lock and said “Quattro pour Quattro” with a thumbs up! To be honest, I thought we had made a mistake because of the tyres and not having chains, but those Cross Contacts were superb in that fresh snow. For three hours we were on switch back mountain roads, heavy snow fall. Traction and braking was really impressive. You can see in this pic that the treads self clean well... Click image to enlarge 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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13th Sep 2018 8:20pm |
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Countryman2 Member Since: 18 Mar 2018 Location: The North Posts: 53 |
That’s very reassuring. Thanks. Did the lack of the mountain symbol cause any problems in Europe or does no one check?
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13th Sep 2018 8:57pm |
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Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4219 |
I think if you are going to an area where 3pmsf is mandatory, you would be wise to get something that complies. It could get awkward from an insurance and liability perspective if you were in an accident. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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13th Sep 2018 9:09pm |
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apt100 Member Since: 05 Mar 2015 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 1547 |
Winter tyres are designed to fill the treads with snow because this gives the best grip apparently.
A quick search found this from Uniroyal, but there are better articles around. Continental I think have an animated video showing the tread filing with snow. It's counter-intuitive because it is exactly the opposite of what MT/AT tyres are designed to do. Click image to enlarge |
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13th Sep 2018 10:00pm |
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camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3382 |
Probably worth noting that it's only the BFG KO2s that have the winter rating (and the sipps in the tread).
The original KOs don't. |
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14th Sep 2018 9:11am |
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DuncanS Member Since: 06 Dec 2013 Location: Cumbria Posts: 299 |
I was out during the Beast from the East with the response team. I must say that my BFG KO2's performed remarkably well, collecting a full circle of snow into the treads making them perform admirably in heavy snow conditions, even when on normal road pressures. North Cumbria Search and Rescue - Team Leader
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14th Sep 2018 12:26pm |
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