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Zagato
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warren wrote:
This is quite a depressing read, the Defender is well and truly on it's last legs it seems.

Is this the smallest engine ever to be fitted to a Defender, after the 2.25 petrols way back when?

April 1958 in the 109's only at first. A very quiet, robust but sweet little motor that starts on one turn, rain or shine every morning - for me!

A total of roughly 200,000 Land Rover examples had been built by 1958, 70% of them going abroad to 150 different countries with several countries even building Land Rovers locally from CKD kits. Despite the introduction of several new rivals in the 1950's and 60's, the Land Rover still reigned supreme and even replaced the Austin Champ as the British Army's favourite vehicle

It still reigns supreme in my opinion

21st May 2011 2:28pm

NinetyTD4

Member Since: 22 Apr 2011
Location: North
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willy eckerslike wrote:

Say that again

I will

21st May 2011 3:11pm

Matt

Member Since: 28 Feb 2011
Location: Aylesbury, Bucks
Posts: 177

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YVR wrote:
Speaking with the dealer principle today, and according to the 2012 new model line up- dealer briefing document , the word is as follows.....130 still available in crew cab and cab chassis form only. No SV quadtech bodies or tippers available due to EU 'Mass & Dimension rules'. There is absolutley no mention of an engine change top the Defender for 2012, or deletion of any other models, although it states MY12 will be available for dealer del in Sept after the August break.

Ordered a new 90 today myself, and was told the exact same thing by my dealership. Ive got on the order form a 'MY11 2.4tdci' and have told them that if it arrives with a 2.2 engine in it they can keep it and refund me the deposit

21st May 2011 6:04pm

22900013A

Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

Zagato wrote:
warren wrote:
This is quite a depressing read, the Defender is well and truly on it's last legs it seems.

Is this the smallest engine ever to be fitted to a Defender, after the 2.25 petrols way back when?

April 1958 in the 109's only at first. A very quiet, robust but sweet little motor that starts on one turn, rain or shine every morning - for me!

A total of roughly 200,000 Land Rover examples had been built by 1958, 70% of them going abroad to 150 different countries with several countries even building Land Rovers locally from CKD kits. Despite the introduction of several new rivals in the 1950's and 60's, the Land Rover still reigned supreme and even replaced the Austin Champ as the British Army's favourite vehicle It still reigns supreme in my opinion

Series 1s started off with 1.6 litre petrols, then went up to 2 litres in about 1951 I think. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"

21st May 2011 6:39pm

Fox

Member Since: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Essex, UK
Posts: 72

22900013A wrote:

Series 1s started off with 1.6 litre petrols, then went up to 2 litres in about 1951 I think.

Yep.

(may have been 52, but who cares and it's only what I remember...)

21st May 2011 10:46pm

rossy

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Co. Roscommon
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2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

just reading some of the above posts about dealers not taking any more orders for the 2.4 is slightly worrying.

Mine was ordered by the dealer at around 3.00 yesterday afternoon and they said August build/Sept delivery but I'd better phone on Monday just to make sure

21st May 2011 11:19pm

LESVOSD110

Member Since: 19 Aug 2009
Location: South Africa
Posts: 241

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Fuji White

I wonder if the 2.2L will have the bonnet bulge?The South African market had a series 3 with a ADE 236 Diesel engine (3.9L) that pulled like a steam train.Was a joy to drive as the Land cruiser with it's 4.1L Puma 110 SW
90 V8 SOFT TOP

22nd May 2011 5:05am

JSG

Member Since: 12 Jul 2007
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2412

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

rossy wrote:
just reading some of the above posts about dealers not taking any more orders for the 2.4 is slightly worrying.

Mine was ordered by the dealer at around 3.00 yesterday afternoon and they said August build/Sept delivery but I'd better phone on Monday just to make sure

There are a few in the system. Dealers have a limited (or zero) number of 2.4 Defenders they can order - my local has only one CSW left then has to wait for the 2.2. They are not at all impressed with what they have heard about it so far. John

http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk

2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS

22nd May 2011 8:52am

rangitoto

Member Since: 24 May 2011
Location: Auckland
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2.2 specifications

If someone can tell me how I can post an image (because I'm stupid), I can put up a detailed official engine comparison 2.4 v 2.2.
In the meantime (according to the document)
Identical power and torque output
Identical emissions
Identical acceleration times
2.2 has lower compression ratio: 15.5 v 17.5
2.2 has higher top speed: 90 mph v 82 mph.
How the physics works on that I don't know.

24th May 2011 2:42am

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

Re: 2.2 specifications

rangitoto wrote:
If someone can tell me how I can post an image (because I'm stupid), I can put up a detailed official engine comparison 2.4 v 2.2.
In the meantime (according to the document)
Identical power and torque output
Identical emissions
Identical acceleration times
2.2 has lower compression ratio: 15.5 v 17.5
2.2 has higher top speed: 90 mph v 82 mph.
How the physics works on that I don't know.

Send me the doc to daniele.gardellin@me.com and I'll put it on the forum.

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24th May 2011 7:40am

Naks

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Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
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Re: 2.2 specifications

rangitoto wrote:
If someone can tell me how I can post an image (because I'm stupid),

Get a gmail account, which will allow you to upload pics to PicasaWeb (even by SMS). Then copy+paste the image URL in your post using the IMG button

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24th May 2011 9:01am

dgardel

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Here the William pdf file

http://db.tt/iWTwwxW Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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24th May 2011 11:51am

pjw4233

Member Since: 30 Nov 2009
Location: Lake District & Cheshire
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2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey

Guess the speed limiter has been changed to 90mph, but I'd still prefer the bigger engine as the same output from a smaller engine must cause extra stress somewhere!

24th May 2011 12:24pm

Landie Boy

Member Since: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Essex
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2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

Quote:
-CONFIDENTIAL

?? How'd u get ur hands on that?

Jack

24th May 2011 1:56pm

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2623

Landie Boy wrote:
Quote:
-CONFIDENTIAL
?? How'd u get ur hands on that?

one should not ask such questions

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24th May 2011 1:58pm

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