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Naks



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South Africa 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
1, 2010
2, 2.4
3, Y (with yearly inspection)
4, 75,000km --
2010 Defender Puma 90 + BAS remap + Alive IC + Slickshift + Ashcroft ATB rear
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sewin elwy



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Wales 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
1, 2010
2, 2.4
3,yes
4, 20,000

Vehicle only has light use, one driver, no towing, no off road.
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RFT



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Zermatt Silver
1, vehicle year of manufacture 2010
2, engine type 2.4 or 2.2 2.4
3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? (Y/N) Y
4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running. 91,000miles 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper
Post #718047 16th Jul 2018 3:16pm
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Julie



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France 2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
DSC-off wrote:
I'm aware that our 'sample size' is still low


Why not integrate the "German" Defenders from this link:
http://www.blacklandy.eu/blboard/forum/sho...schenwelle

They come from the same factory and suffer the same problems, don't they? Wink

The Germans expose the same data ...
Honestly, who could ever speake against eavesdropping in this urgent case Mr. Green
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alastaid



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United Kingdom 
1, 2009
2, 2.4
3, yes
4, 54,000
Post #718191 17th Jul 2018 9:31am
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apt100



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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
DSC-off wrote:
I'm aware that our 'sample size' is still low and it is far too early for conclusions, but patterns are emerging.
Any suggestions of things to look for or known trends in the failures, please mention it.



Not exactly, but I would be interested to see a version of the charts with the non-failures included as well (say in green) Thumbs Up
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Natlas



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
1, 2013
2, 2.2
3, No
4, Replaced as showing extensive wear when clutch and gearbox replaced, all under warranty.

Now at 56K with a lot of snatching in the drive train so worried about failure quite soon. 2.2 90 XS
88" Series One
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Post #718260 17th Jul 2018 6:38pm
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macfrank



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Germany 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
Julie wrote:
DSC-off wrote:
I'm aware that our 'sample size' is still low


Why not integrate the "German" Defenders from this link:
http://www.blacklandy.eu/blboard/forum/sho...schenwelle

They come from the same factory and suffer the same problems, don't they? Wink

The Germans expose the same data ...
Honestly, who could ever speake against eavesdropping in this urgent case Mr. Green


+1 for that.
I'd be happy to provide translations/conversions of the data, because I really like the chart here.
Just let me know.
I might even ask the German guy for permission afterwards Wink
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DSC-off



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Hi Macfrank,
Thanks for the offer, but I've just spent the last hour sorting the blacklandy data into the same format as my spreadsheet!

I didn't ask permission as it's available for all to see freely on the Internet. Whistle
I will of course drop them a message and tell them where to find our results.

APT,
I'm working on that too, the "original still going" chart.
Next updates on findings will be after I've uploaded the latest responses fron D2, and looked at the German data.

With approx 120 responses total from both forums, it may take a while to work through.

Cheers,
Jason
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Roy5695



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Indus Silver
1, vehicle year of manufacture 2011
2, engine type 2.2
3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? Yes
4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running. 38,000miles 2011 Defender DCPU 2.2 - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic30623.html

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BenB8man



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Location: Norfolk
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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
2010
2.4
No. Replaced, serious driveline clunk. Very worn.
38k when replaced. Didn't have much left on it. Now done 45k with Ashcroft version.
Post #718282 17th Jul 2018 8:49pm
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
What's the highest mileage reported sofar for an Ashcroft modified coupling?
Post #718290 17th Jul 2018 9:22pm
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DSC-off



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Ben's 45,000 miles with Ashcroft is the highest so far.
People generally haven't been reporting how long they've lasted.

Unless that's 45.000 - 38.000, only 7.000 miles! It's getting late... Laughing
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DSC-off



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
First result from both surveys combined, total of 123 vehicles. 78 2.4's and 45 2.2's

2.4 models still running with the original shaft.
42 out of 78 = 54%


Click image to enlarge


more results to follow tomorrow.
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Grenadier



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France 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey
Good work DSC.

50% failure rate for such a simple part is fairly damning. Shocked Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey
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