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| Naks Member Since: 27 Jan 2009 Location: Stellenbosch, ZA Posts: 2638   
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hey, at least it's not as bad as the crank failures on the T/SDV6  --
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13th Feb 2018 8:51am |
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| ian series 1 Member Since: 17 Nov 2014 Location: south Posts: 3127  
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Very true!
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13th Feb 2018 10:11am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
Ian on that out shaft was retaining clip in place when you removed transfer box
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13th Feb 2018 10:56am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
that explains spline damage from your pic
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13th Feb 2018 12:10pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7905 
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Another output shaft gone, yesterday. Original output shaft replaced under warranty in 2015 (prior to my ownership), so this one has lasted 3yrs
 James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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6th Jun 2018 1:17pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2414  
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I do not have a full track of failures occurred and informed in this forum, but it seems the problem started on Pumas built after some certain date. Mine is a very early one and I´m wondering it will eventually fail. Excuse my spanglish. Puma 110" SW
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7th Jun 2018 2:12pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17373 
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From a non-scientific survey of the forum I did a year or two ago it seems that 2007-build failures are rare (mine is currently on 225,000 miles on the original shaft) and it has gone downhill from then. 2010-build seems to be a very bad time, with many failures.
Although this failure is a really annoying fault and it is shameful that Landrover built a vehicle with this fault, it continues to fascinate me how two notionally identical vehicles, bult at the same time, can be so different. One might last 250,000 miles and the next off the line might last 5,000 miles. There must be more to this than simply a lack of lube. Somewhere there is a major QC problem, whether it is materials spec or alignment, I couldn't say, but there must be more to this than lubrication. |
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7th Jun 2018 2:19pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298  
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BW can I through a spanner into the works / equation. It's about all I'm capable of doing with spanners
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I had a fault with my transmission from day one. the trucks done 100k miles now. My first failed at approx. 25k, 2nd at about 50k - 60k and had a further one installed before failure at about 90k (all from memory). when I safe fault with my transmission numerous LR dealerships drove my truck including a LR mobile tech guy and they all gave it a clean bill of health as have numerous other persons all familiar with LR's (defenders). any how turns out they my diff lock lever was poorly adjusted and not pushing the tab on the transfer box far enough over to the nearside. albeit the diff lock light never came on there has been numerous indicators to suggest the transmission was locking up and I also believe noise from the transmission. now my thoughts are if so many people (both educated and experienced) thought it was 'ok' how many other trucks are out there that are 'ok' and could this lead to premature wear? I think it probably would, I'm not saying it's the sole cause but I strongly believe it's a contributing factor. |
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7th Jun 2018 3:07pm |
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| nosnibod Member Since: 15 Aug 2007 Location: West Midlands Posts: 370 
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Off to Ian at IRB on Saturday to check mine out. On the first shaft at 52,000 miles and there is definitely a clonk if I'm a bit heavy-handed changing gear. In reality I just want to make sure it's not going to fail during our holiday later in the year towing the caravan.
Must remember to take some pictures... Dave Green Goddess - 1998 Defender 110 300tdi |
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7th Jun 2018 3:46pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2414
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Not an expert, but I dont think any clonk is related to such end of the output shaft. If flange splines are ok, I would blame a slacky central diff. Puma 110" SW
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7th Jun 2018 4:38pm |
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| nosnibod Member Since: 15 Aug 2007 Location: West Midlands Posts: 370
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That’s why I’m having an expert look at it! Dave
Green Goddess - 1998 Defender 110 300tdi |
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7th Jun 2018 4:41pm |
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| JOW240725 Member Since: 04 May 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 7905
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An interesting thought, I wonder how you would check/know? James MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641 MY1984 90 V8 Slate Grey - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post744557.html#744557 Instagram @suffolk_rovers |
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7th Jun 2018 4:53pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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crawl underneath and check if the tab on the transfer box is getting pushed all the way across by the leakage or can you push it the last 1cm by hand?
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7th Jun 2018 5:30pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 484  
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Some say that the spline is going to receive more wear if the MT82 and the shaft are not exactly in one line. Interesting detail: The part LR030054 has two equal splines but only one spline fails in any case. The inner spline at the MT82 will never fail. It's always the "outer" spline connecting the shaft. From my point of view corrosion seems to be relevant. The "inner" spline is black and appears almost new (no wear). The "outer" spline is completely corroded (rust is harder than steel, an accelerated wear is obvious). Corrosion in the spline is a result from humidity / temperature changes. The absence of grease could also explain an early wear. |
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8th Jun 2018 8:35pm |
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