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simon67

Member Since: 18 Jun 2015
Location: west sussex
Posts: 569

Should I Add Anti Roll Bars

Have a 90 HT TD5, with new fitted Bilstein Dampers and Sport Springs (2″ Lower)

However from reading on here and in reality, she was never fitted with anti roll bars, front or rear
The new suspension is brilliant and stops her feeling like a boat, but is it worth fitting ARBs?

The drive is 100% better, but am I wasting money or is adding OEM ARBs worth it?

16th Dec 2017 11:11am

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4795

Anti roll bars are a must for road biased defenders in my opinion

2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
1990 Vogue SE
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Td5 90 Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic50767.html
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16th Dec 2017 11:56am

barbel jim

Member Since: 12 Dec 2012
Location: Northants
Posts: 1432

Yes well worth it

The front makes the most difference. Genuine front and rears on my old puma and the TD5

16th Dec 2017 11:59am

Kit

Member Since: 12 Feb 2016
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 1110

I'm going to give them a go since my 90 isn't going to see any pay to play or hardcore laning, can anyone comment (from experience not reading things in magazines/internet) how they change the way a defender handles?

I like the defender handling and i'm worried it might make it more likely to understeer? 1993 200 Tdi 90 CSW
1956 Series 1 Hard-top
1958 Series 1 Soft-top

16th Dec 2017 12:13pm

barbel jim

Member Since: 12 Dec 2012
Location: Northants
Posts: 1432

Really you only loose a bit of articulation, but can gain a go cart

standard anti roll bars will stop a good 60%. Of the body roll. An updated rear would be more noticeable on a 110 due to the rear overhang. Coupled with updated shocks makes everything tight,direct and responsive. It basically sits flats, The difference is massive. The only downside with the shocks though is it can make it a hard ride. I prefer it as the 90 is so predictable. In the snow it was a lot of fun

16th Dec 2017 2:19pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4795

The most difference in my opinion is the way it transforms transitional cornering loads, when negotiating a series of left - right- left type bends.

Before - you had to wait for the suspension to 'settle' when coming out of one bend before turning into the next. This obviously means reducing your cornering speed to allow for this transition. Failure to do this causes quite severe oscillation of the suspension (read lock to lock tank slapper

)

Anti roll bars (especially updated ones) reduce this massively allowing you to change direction with much more speed and confidence. This is most noticeable when going straight on at a roundabout for example.

Another advantage to anti roll bars it that they reduce understeer by increasing the load on the inside tyre.

All in all a very worthwhile modification which (unless going extreme) won't effect off road performance and is nothing but a benefit on road. I can't see why you wouldn't do it to be honest

16th Dec 2017 2:59pm

barbel jim

Member Since: 12 Dec 2012
Location: Northants
Posts: 1432

George gives a grown up elequant reply, and I sound like a boy racer

16th Dec 2017 4:34pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4795

16th Dec 2017 4:40pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4795

Nothing like a bit of role reversal

16th Dec 2017 4:42pm

DieselBeast

Member Since: 27 Sep 2017
Location: UK
Posts: 33

I thought they were all fitted with front anti-roll bars. The body roll is bad enough with them fitted

16th Dec 2017 4:59pm

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4795

Basically if it came out of the factory with boost alloys then it had anti roll bars

16th Dec 2017 5:11pm

Disco_Mikey

Member Since: 16 Nov 2014
Location: Dundee
Posts: 531

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Keswick Green

My 110 had an ARB on the front from the factory

Fitted an Alive rear ARB, and the difference in handling was immense

16th Dec 2017 5:34pm

Pickles

Member Since: 26 May 2013
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 3787

2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green

Re: Should I Add Anti Roll Bars

simon67 wrote:
Have a 90 HT TD5, with new fitted Bilstein Dampers and Sport Springs (2″ Lower)

However from reading on here and in reality, she was never fitted with anti roll bars, front or rear
The new suspension is brilliant and stops her feeling like a boat, but is it worth fitting ARBs?

The drive is 100% better, but am I wasting money or is adding OEM ARBs worth it?

With the springs & dampers you have fitted, I would say that ARBs would be a very worthwhile addition,..they will definitely improve handling in all sorts of conditions that you will encounter on the ROAD. As many have said, they will restrict articulation off road, but if you're road orientated, then you should fit 'em.
Pickles.

16th Dec 2017 7:46pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17598

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

grafty99 wrote:
Basically if it came out of the factory with boost alloys then it had anti roll bars

True for 90s I think, but not 110s. My DC had Boosts from the factory but only gained ARBs a few years ago when I retrofitted them. I think if you had 1 tonne or HD suspension you didn't get ARBs, but I stand to be corrected.

They make a massive difference to the road manners especially if (like me) you have a Patriot rack which you load to capacity. The difference off road is only noticeable under extreme conditions and is a small price to pay.

16th Dec 2017 8:55pm

mk1collector

Member Since: 17 Sep 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 6772

Same here, my 110 had boosts but no arb's. Made a big difference when fitted though

Ray
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16th Dec 2017 9:07pm

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