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mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
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2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

Ive said before - it worries me with these defender's oil specs.

I dont believe the dealers fully follow them all (although they have more of a chance of doing it) so what chance does most indep. garages have...

I know the indep guys are great and im not knocking that - its just with many different specs and possibly less time to research etc - i bet you they put in the wrong spec more than the right spec (especially if you go to an none LR one were its just listed as a 5/30!!) Mike

3rd Jan 2011 10:20am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
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2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

Education is needed all over, You shuold take the lubrizol webpage or this one, I`m sure you can find in English

http://www.motul-lubricantes.com/eftm/defi...iviano.pdf Puma 110" SW

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3rd Jan 2011 10:30am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2635

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

While LR specifies ACEA A5/B5 5w30 oil for the Puma, it is by no means the best oil for the engine. This will depends on where you are: climatic conditions, quality of diesel, etc.

For example, in SA we have a much warmer climate than EU & sh*t diesel, so really in SA we should be using an API CH-4/CI-4 or ACEA E5/6/7 fully-synthetic oil, viscosity 5w40.

3rd Jan 2011 12:36pm

LESVOSD110

Member Since: 19 Aug 2009
Location: South Africa
Posts: 241

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Fuji White

I threw out that Ford oil after 3000km and never went back to it.The loose spanners in the motor have gone and now have a oil to protect my engine and not fuel cosumption. Puma 110 SW
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3rd Jan 2011 4:26pm

Naks

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LESVOSD110 wrote:
I threw out that Ford oil after 3000km and never went back to it.The loose spanners in the motor have gone and now have a oil to protect my engine and not fuel cosumption.

What oil are you using if I may ask?

3rd Jan 2011 4:32pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2410

I`m not sure, but the oil pump must be designed to deal with the viscosity given by a XXW-30 oil. Danielle (

) should jump in again. Puma 110" SW

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3rd Jan 2011 4:37pm

LESVOSD110

Member Since: 19 Aug 2009
Location: South Africa
Posts: 241

Naks wrote:
LESVOSD110 wrote:
I threw out that Ford oil after 3000km and never went back to it.The loose spanners in the motor have gone and now have a oil to protect my engine and not fuel cosumption.

What oil are you using if I may ask?

5w-50 A3/B3/B4 synthetic and changed every 6000km.It handles our heat and no cold start problems. Puma 110 SW
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3rd Jan 2011 4:40pm

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
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READ CAREFULLY!!!

high HTHS OIL is ALWAYS BETTER than a low HTHS oil!!!

But if I tell to the forum this and someone will have problems with the engine (not related to the oil)? May be LR look for the reason and invalidate the warranty?

SO, I do not tell nothing to the forum, understand!!!!!

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3rd Jan 2011 5:37pm

Lorryman100

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dgardel wrote:

SO, I do not tell nothing to the forum, understand!!!!!

Why does this answer remind me of the epic film "The Godfather"

3rd Jan 2011 6:00pm

dgardel

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mhmmmmmm you are wrong......

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3rd Jan 2011 6:25pm

Naks

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dgardel wrote:
high HTHS OIL is ALWAYS BETTER than a low HTHS oil!!!

You mean a 5w40/50 is better than 5w30?

I fully agree, it looks like LR only specified the oil that would be ideal for EU, NOT the rest of the world.

I have a friend in SA who has switched to Shell Rimula HX7 and says the landy runs much more smoothly. He buys the oil and force the dealer to use this when doing the service.

3rd Jan 2011 6:38pm

dgardel

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Naks wrote:
dgardel wrote:
high HTHS OIL is ALWAYS BETTER than a low HTHS oil!!!

You mean a 5w40/50 is better than 5w30?

I fully agree, it looks like LR only specified the oil that would be ideal for EU, NOT the rest of the world.

I have a friend in SA who has switched to Shell Rimula HX7 and says the landy runs much more smoothly. He buys the oil and force the dealer to use this when doing the service.

viscosity is a different characteristic than HTHS.

for hot climate is better a 5W50 or a 10W60 than a 5W30 and all of these oils can have low or high HTHS.

a good HTHS is better for the shear strength

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3rd Jan 2011 7:03pm

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
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LESVOSD110 wrote:
5w-50 A3/B3/B4 synthetic and changed every 6000km.It handles our heat and no cold start problems.

Can you please specify the API classification and brand?

3rd Jan 2011 7:07pm

LESVOSD110

Member Since: 19 Aug 2009
Location: South Africa
Posts: 241

Same happened with VW and there 0w30 longlife.Many top end failures and oil cosumption.They changed to there 5w-30 but still not good in hot climate like ours. Puma 110 SW
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3rd Jan 2011 7:07pm

dgardel

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Look here: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...amp;page=1 and related

Whereas main bearing wear increased with the viscosity below 2.2 HTHS, the con-rod bearing showed virtually no wear at the lowest tested 1.8 oil

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