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Mean Green



Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: South Ayrshire
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Scotland 
I have exactly the same problem with my 1993 200tdi 90 with 135k miles.

I have had the clutch changed, props changed and a new gearbox and it is still doing it. Best guess is that it is the centre diff that is playing up. So I am planning to change the transfer box over Christmas. If that doesn't work then I am out of ideas.
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Toby60



Member Since: 06 Dec 2014
Location: Cheshire
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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Coniston Green
I can't see it being anything to do with the transfer box and I would not be changing that on a trial and error basis. When you had the clutch done did you have a new flywheel? ------------------------------------------------
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Post #482615 15th Dec 2015 10:07pm
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Mean Green



Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
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No the flywheel was not changed with the clutch.

Since day one I thought if left like it was coming from a diff - but front and rear have been checked and are ok. I have been planning on changing the transfer box to a disco one with better ratios - so it is a good excuse Smile
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Toby60



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Coniston Green
I had the transfer box in my 90 converted to the Disco 1.2 ratio a couple of months ago and I would certainly recommend that. It drives a lot better at speed. Thumbs Up

I reckon the judder problem maybe due to your flywheel but it's best to ask someone with more knowledge of these things. ------------------------------------------------
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
The DMF is the most common cause of clutch judder on a TD5 by far. It is a false economy not to replace the DMF if replacing a clutch, since in normal use the clutch will outlive the flywheel. Shocked

It is also possible that you'll get judder if the engine and gearbox mounting rubbers are going soft, or if the suspension bushes are worn allowing too much movement in the (usually, rear) axle mountings.

The DMF is the worst feature of the TD5 Defender or Disco, and its appalling performance is the reason that LR reverted to a conventional flywheel and clutch on the TDCi. It is regrettable that they made arguably a worse job of the latter even than the former!
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custom90



Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
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I was going to mention bushes too, especially rear shock / damper bushes.

When moving of weight is obviously shifted to the rear and poor bushes move around a lot giving a feeling of the being drivetrain issues.
I'd also agree that it's usually the rear too. Thumbs Up
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grizz



Member Since: 31 Aug 2014
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2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey
Sounds like clutch judder . You'll more than likely have some hi spots on the flywheel
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Freypal



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United Kingdom 1992 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Portofino Red
Had it on my Td5 Disco 2 and have it now on my Td5 90.

The disco I bought at 120k miles and sold at 180k miles. As far as I know the clutch hadn't been replaced. Judder never materialised into anything more.
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adseybear



Member Since: 08 Oct 2009
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I've just taken my engine out to do some bits and bobs, and whilst there fitted a new clutch and DMF.

Clutch looked almost unworn and barely any play in DMF at 142k miles! However it had started juddering the last year or so, and a new clutch has cured that. 2003 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Belize Green - "Betty"
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