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keith

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2212

Who else is cheating emission controls

VW has been cheating the customer and MOT exam for years and about to be fined billions .
Who else do we think are pooing their pants at the moment ?
Surely our friendly JLR arnt worried then eh ?

22nd Sep 2015 5:18pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
Posts: 5110

2007 Defender 90 Other CSW Trident Green

Probably a lot more car companies will be discovered in the near future.

However the maker of this vehicle is probably worried their cheating will soon be discovered

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22nd Sep 2015 6:15pm

ian series 1

Member Since: 17 Nov 2014
Location: south
Posts: 3127

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Bonatti Grey

There's bound to be many more?
Generally if ones doing it, they all are, or have done!

I wonder who will be the next to come clean..........?

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22nd Sep 2015 6:25pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20348

The question is also, are emission controls fit for purpose?
I.e reliable.
A cat on a Defender yes, EGR not so......

Not heard much on the DPF side as of yet...

One does wonder if they'll have back dated RFL increases to pay...
Who will pay, customer or VW?

22nd Sep 2015 6:38pm

lambert.the.farmer

Member Since: 11 Apr 2012
Location: harrogate
Posts: 2006

If they do impose back dated taxation and rectified bands going forward if vw don't cover it voluntarily then the law suits of the customers who bought in good faith could potentially kill of vw's profits for years, so I don't see it happening, sure a rap on the knuckles after an inquiry and possibly some fines that sound big to the general public but nothing really serious to a firm that big. Rhubarb and custard let fly with their secret weapon.

22nd Sep 2015 7:13pm

Rakthi

Member Since: 30 Nov 2012
Location: Where the cats are
Posts: 200

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HCPU Stornoway Grey

Too many people working for VW and USA just protecting it's own car industry.

US car makers all cheat on the stupid emission. Been known for years that they have software that recognises the "test" from the EPA.

Here an article:

https://cleantechnica.com/2015/09/22/how-c...-industry/

22nd Sep 2015 11:29pm

Likeomg

Member Since: 29 Jun 2012
Location: Lake District / Newcastle
Posts: 2640

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey

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22nd Sep 2015 11:36pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

custom90steve wrote:
The question is also, are emission controls fit for purpose?
I.e reliable.
A cat on a Defender yes, EGR not so......

Depends on what continent you live and what the emissions are looking for. USA EGR is vital to pass Nitrous Oxide check which we don't have as yet! Watch this space.

From another thread....

Quote:
The EGR valve recirculate, in same engine rpm, Temp, and load conditions, controlled part of exhaust gases to the inlet manifold.

EGR deletion
EGR deletion in diesel engines is considered justifiable by a wide range of people, including the environmentally conscious. Although deleting the EGR system results in increased NOx level; hydrocarbon emissions, particulates, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide are drastically reduced. Furthermore, EGR deletion results in an increase in fuel economy as high as 25%. Exhaust gas recirculated back into the cylinders adds wear-inducing contaminants and causes an increase engine oil acidity, which can result in an inefficient, poorly running engine. The increased level of soot also creates the need for diesel particulate filters to prevent environmental contamination.

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23rd Sep 2015 7:26am

o4dn

Member Since: 08 Jan 2010
Location: South West
Posts: 538

2009 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alaska White

Oddly enough, in my experience (not saying it's a general rule) leaving the EGR alone or using a partial EGR banking plate gives better results than blanking the EGR completely.

The engine is smoother, less noisy/pinking/knocking and also gives better mileage with the EGR than without. Also, using regular diesel and avoiding premium diesel works best on mine... go figure

23rd Sep 2015 7:43am

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

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*88.3 mpg I dot it will would give this MPG with emission switch on

more < 20 mpg

good if you share in fuel company

23rd Sep 2015 7:56am

jimbob7

Member Since: 06 Jul 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 2055

All the manufacturers cheated at one point (still do),thats why there was a flat spot in the revs,to keep the noise and emissions down.I've heard it said that the egr only functions when the engine is cold and it's secondary function is to help the engine warm up quicker??
Interestingly it's been the Germans who have been the most against ecu data being used for MOT's. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.

23rd Sep 2015 10:18am

gazman

Member Since: 17 Aug 2015
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 652

Motorcycle manufacturers have been doing it for years on the noise tests. They have a exhaust valve that increases torque at the bottom end by shutting. It also shuts futher up the Rev range on most bikes, funnily just at the revs a ride by noise test is done. 2014 - current ..... 2003 defender td5 90 (my car)
2009 - current .... 2005 zx10r

23rd Sep 2015 11:40am

Rallymental

Member Since: 17 Aug 2015
Location: The Garden of England
Posts: 468

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Apparently the German government knew all about this

23rd Sep 2015 12:08pm

Enid_Puceflange

Member Since: 25 Oct 2014
Location: edinburgh
Posts: 1172

So,

What about

Skoda
Seat
Audi

All part of Volkswagen Group!

I wonder if there will be any more poop about to hit the fan??

My confidence has been writing cheques that my abilities can't cash for years.

23rd Sep 2015 11:02pm

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

I one thinking when somebody with so call geen car make rude remarks 4x4 and land rover you can say not green are you

24th Sep 2015 7:56am

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