a13x wrote:

And with that note, one should state where their knowledge is and why there are to be seen as the greater knowledge base compared to the average person.

If you are that knowledgeable in this field I would be keen to learn more. Eric's test is a good one and while it cannot calculate accurate and statistical results, it goes some way to paint a picture that is different to what is trying to be portrayed here.

All that said, I do not like the look of the Noldens and so are not for me.

Not sure there a roolz suggesting "one should state where their knowledge is"...

But, for the record, I have not and never would presume to suggest my knowledge would "be seen as the greater knowledge base compared to the average person"!

Like you, I can only assume, I am as unaware of people's backgrounds, especially when partaking of this here interweb thingy, as anyone else, so it would be rather foolish to under-estimate other's knowledge or experience...

Eric's test is fundamentally flawed, in that it has at least one basic element that is notoriously unreliable, the human eye - particularly its scotopic acuity (night vision). This is especially so when any such comparison is attempted with varying colour temperatures, as I noted in my earlier response, and with varying levels of ambient lighting, which affects the human eyes transition from photopic to scotopic (day to dark) sensibilities.

Any such attempt at a comparison, which by the way is truly comparing apples and pears, whilst it might satisfy an individual's quest to justify one purchase, or another, is hardly a test of the hard and fast data provided by a reputable manufacturer and should only be taken at face value for their own immediate needs...

By the way, in partial answer to your first point, any and all of the information I have imparted is freely available to one and all, although some of its interpretation is a matter for the individual...

But, to borrow, in part, a quote from another D2.net member...

Without boring the knuts off you all, I have a modicum of experience in such things...  Rog...
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Macpaul wrote:

I do think that's interesting and people will draw their own conclusions from what look to me, like directly comparable photos.

What they also seem to confirm is the very poor additional light offered by both units on main beam.

For headlights costing as much as they do, I think this is a significant shortcoming.

I've got Speaker Evos and you really have to have secondary lights to back them up on high, as you would also with Noldens by the look of it.

Lorryman100 wrote:

Have to say as I have had fitted, both makes of head light is that the Noldens high beam is actually a high beam with a decent spread of light and not the letterbox spread of light of the Speakers. Both head lights are excellent in low beam but the Noldens high beam wins hands down for me and so for that reason amongst others, the Noldens are staying fitted. JMTW

Brian, I believe you only have had fitted the original first generation Speakers, not the EVOs correct? (As I have read from your recent sales thread of your never used EVOs)
So a bit of apples and pears again here, comparing the first generation Speakers with the Nolden high beam production.
I have read quite a few times from different sources that the first gen Speaker light output was not as good as the Nolden, but then we had the EVO, and now we have the EVO2, which reportedly has taken care of the too spotty high beam of the EVO, and now gives more comfort light at high beam too.
In all honesty, the only one who until now can make credible statements about Nolden versus EVO2 is Peter from Naka as per his thread on the German forum. He made a real comparison in identical conditions, and that without using any lumen numbers which cannot be compared as they are given without common denominator.
And I must say, the comparative pictures of Naka look very interesting, and confirm that with every new generation of lights, the manufacturers make another leap in quality and power of the output. Which is a good thing I think.
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ericvv wrote:

Lorryman100 wrote:

Have to say as I have had fitted, both makes of head light is that the Noldens high beam is actually a high beam with a decent spread of light and not the letterbox spread of light of the Speakers. Both head lights are excellent in low beam but the Noldens high beam wins hands down for me and so for that reason amongst others, the Noldens are staying fitted. JMTW

Brian, I believe you only have had fitted the original first generation Speakers, not the EVOs correct? (As I have read from your recent sales thread of your never used EVOs)
So a bit of apples and pears again here, comparing the first generation Speakers with the Nolden high beam production.
I have read quite a few times from different sources that the first gen Speaker light output was not as good as the Nolden, but then we had the EVO, and now we have the EVO2, which reportedly has taken care of the too spotty high beam of the EVO, and now gives more comfort light at high beam too.
In all honesty, the only one who until now can make credible statements about Nolden versus EVO2 is Peter from Naka as per his thread on the German forum. He made a real comparison in identical conditions, and that without using any lumen numbers which cannot be compared as they are given without common denominator.
And I must say, the comparative pictures of Naka look very interesting, and confirm that with every new generation of lights, the manufacturers make another leap in quality and power of the output. Which is a good thing I think.
Eric