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SupraAyf

Member Since: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Durham
Posts: 142

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Orkney Grey

Puma 2.4TDCi - Black Smoke - Diagnostics?

Hi guys, my first thread so go easy

I have just bought a MY11 2.4TDCi Puma 90 with 29k on the clock. I didn’t realise at the time of purchase but it produces black smoke plumes under acceleration which then increase quite dramatically when under hard pedal pressure.

The engine pulls like a train. There is no overheating although you could roast your hand on the exhaust tip. There is no engine hesitation whatsoever and no leaks from any component.

My initial thought is “fuelling” and perhaps there is something wrong with the pump or even one of the injectors. (One of the previous owners may have remapped it but how could I tell).

I have done the following things to attempt to rid my Landy of the smoke:

• Changed the oil for a Ford-compliant 5W-30 Semi synthetic type.
• Changed the oil filter and air filter. The oil filter was quite grungy when removed.
• Changed and primed the fuel filter.
• I have added 250ml of Redex injector cleaner to the new diesel.
• Removed all turbo and Intercooler piping to check for splits and fitment etc – nothing found.
• Checked and oiled the turbo actuator mechanism – nothing found.
• The MAF sensor was thick with soot so I have cleaned it accordingly.

Footnote: Would a Hawkeye Diagnostic tool or a fast idle test help discover the root cause?

Thanks all,

Andrew

9th Sep 2014 8:24am

g-mack

Member Since: 07 Jan 2014
Location: northumberland
Posts: 1967

my understanding is
black-overfuelling (rich mixture)
grey -unburnt fuel
blue - oil
white- air or water My 109 thread

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9th Sep 2014 9:09am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

If it pulls like a train, the black smoke may well be result of an unknown remapping. Is it possible to load back the original map, and then see if the smoke disappears? You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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9th Sep 2014 10:28am

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

You could try contacting the historical owner perhaps? Sounds like a remap of some descript as Eric stated.

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

9th Sep 2014 11:12am

SupraAyf

Member Since: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Durham
Posts: 142

Thanks for all of the replies guys; much appreciated indeed.

My 90 has had 3 owners by all accounts so I'll be able to establish the 3rd owner in the V5C and the first in the owners/service book. I'm thinking along the same lines as you though, i.e. a tuning map has been added without any other supporting mods.

I wonder if the likes of Alive Tuning would be able to supply a standard UK map. - Andrew -

9th Sep 2014 11:23am

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

You may have one of the maps from one of the forum sponsors already and you could be paying for something you already have albeit an earlier version perhaps? Contact them in the first instance and see if they themselves may have any records if you don't have any joy with the previous owners. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

9th Sep 2014 11:47am

SupraAyf

Member Since: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Durham
Posts: 142

That's a good plan. The car has been in the North of the country for all of its life so I'll drop BAS in York a note. I'll update everyone with the results.

All the best,

Andrew - Andrew -

9th Sep 2014 11:51am

ZeDefender

Member Since: 15 Sep 2011
Location: Munich
Posts: 4731

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Baltic Blue

I don't believe a BAS map would cause black smoke

Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

9th Sep 2014 2:26pm

dulwich man

Member Since: 29 Nov 2011
Location: Dulwich
Posts: 64

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Tend to agree with ZE defender. All of the site sponcers in this area are too professional to allow this and it my judgement if a problem did arise all of their customers would know that they could go back to them for remedial action. Most probably free of charge as they understand the real value of reputation and how a bad word gets around.

PS Not in the pay of any of them!

9th Sep 2014 3:21pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20348

Main dealer could always load the standard map, I've been running the standard map ever since I've had mine.
I'm personally quite happy with it.

9th Sep 2014 3:47pm

K9F

Member Since: 12 Nov 2009
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 9610

Early maps can easily be 'thrown out' by the addition of extras such as snorkels/rai, performance air filter, decatting etc. and black smoke, surging, and overboosting can occur very easily.

If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!

9th Sep 2014 5:14pm

martinfiattech

Member Since: 13 Nov 2013
Location: leicester
Posts: 422

While your at it, inspect the inlet manifold for obstructions and the boost pressure sensor ( the latter can be cleaned gently with an old tooth brush and some brake cleaner). Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.

9th Sep 2014 6:01pm

grizz

Member Since: 31 Aug 2014
Location: cheshire
Posts: 208

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey

If its black smoke it's over fuelling .. You could have a boost leak ..

9th Sep 2014 6:17pm

SupraAyf

Member Since: 08 Sep 2014
Location: Durham
Posts: 142

ZeDefender wrote:
I don't believe a BAS map would cause black smoke

Yep, you're right, thought as much good mate. I think the plan about me phoning around is a non-starter.

K9F wrote:
Early maps can easily be 'thrown out' by the addition of extras such as snorkels/rai, performance air filter, decatting etc. and black smoke, surging, and overboosting can occur very easily.

I wasn't aware about a map being thrown out so that's a good point. I've checked over the Landy and I can't find any performance mods so far.

martinfiattech wrote:
While your at it, inspect the inlet manifold for obstructions and the boost pressure sensor ( the latter can be cleaned gently with an old tooth brush and some brake cleaner).

Cheers Martin. The EGR housing and the inlet manifold are all sooted-up to heck. Can you point me in the direction of the boost pressure sensor please. I have ordered a new Puma CD Manual from eBay today (for £3) so I should be more informed soon enough. (He thinks, lol). - Andrew -

9th Sep 2014 7:33pm

martinfiattech

Member Since: 13 Nov 2013
Location: leicester
Posts: 422

Boost pressure sensor lives on the inlet manifold intake pipe it`s self, it's about the size of a matchbox, (black thing with ford or bosch written on it). One connector with four wires going into it.

Make sure the o ring seal comes out with it.
For more information try ford transit / Mondeo dura torq black smoking. Theres loads of info on ford sites, along with how to`s. And horror pictures of how bad they can clog up with carbon / oil mixture.

Hope you`ve got some good soap !! Excuse the spelling I`am better with spanners and wires.

9th Sep 2014 8:33pm

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