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blackwolf



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I wonder also if the problem is compounded by manufacturing tolerances in the gearbox extension and transfer box, and any play or backlash in the transfer box input gear bearings. anything which causes the extension shaft to oscillate will fret the splines.

In all seriousness the problem is not the basic design, it is the the lack of adequate initial lubrication. Even if you choose to drop the transfer box every 50k miles to lubricate the splines it really isn't a big burden, it doesn't take long to do.
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natyeo



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No worries , is it easy to get at as I will grease it myself every 6 months or so? 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb
2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility
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no not easy, transfer box out to get at it
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blackwolf



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blackwolf wrote:
.... Even if you choose to drop the transfer box every 50k miles to lubricate the splines it really isn't a big burden, it doesn't take long to do.


It does require you to remove the transfer box, so although not difficult it isn't exactly trivial. I certainly wouldn't do it every 6 months.

I suggested 50k miles (which is about every 2 years in my case Shocked ).

With some practice you can do it in a couple of hours including putting the tools away afterwards.

If the splines are worn, the parts cost about £100 to replace.
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Cuthbert



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Is this problem on the 2.2 models related to the English or Scottish manufactured gearboxes?
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blackwolf



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Er, no Question

It is also not a "2.2 problem" but rather a Tdci problem since it is common on all Ford-engined Defenders.
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Cuthbert



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You might like to consider that the current 'Scottish' transmissions for Defenders are being manufactured and assembled by workers who are very keen to maintain their employment - quality and tolerances are to the fore.
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Hi Cuthbert is it Albion who are assembling the Defender transmissions?? I seem to have missed a thread Confused 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon
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It is not a question of who is assembling them, if the design is flawed, the design is flawed (which it is)

The spline is dry, it frets and wears, just like the LT77 and the R380, they learnt from that mistake !!!

Dave Dave
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do getrag have factorys in both scotland and england then ?? 2015 2.2 tdci hardtop xs
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3.2 conversion DONE 238bhp and 707nm torque and thats just the start ;-P
hybrid turbo in build -done ready to fit
ashcroft atb in transfer box
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natyeo



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17,000 iah 1st , 2nbd time at 42,000 , the 2012 2.2 90 has done it yet again at 56,897 third gearbox to transfer box coupling at 2 and half years old , what does the long term future hold , not impressed! Sad 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb
2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility
1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going
1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms
1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D,
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Fifth Horseman



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If the coupler is being lubricated correctly on assembly, that rate of failure may suggest a slight misalignment between the gear and transfer boxes causing accelerated wear. It would be difficult to check though.
A mis-machined adaptor case is possible or more likely, one or more of the locating dowels could be missing.
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munch90



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not really common nowdays to have a casing machined wrong as there are done by machine , I would say maybe dowl missing
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natyeo



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Its back today , seems alot better , but I need to speak to the service manager on monday to see what they have done 2014 2.2 90 hard top , Warm M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper, Ashcroft rear atb
2012 2.2 tdci 110 Utility
1993 110 CSW Warn M8000 , Scorpain winch bumper , 2" lift , Roamerdive overdrive, on going
1971 Hybird 200tdi, 2 x truetracs,Extrem winch bumper, M8000, GKN overdrive & Coils 2" lift, Glynn Lewis cranked rear trail arms
1971 Series 3 88, Perkins 4203,M8000,SATs,O/D,
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