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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298   
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what about the new first time tax they are introducing next year?
will a small co2 reduction help significantly? |
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16th Oct 2009 6:40am |
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| TallPaul Member Since: 28 Aug 2007 Location: Nr Reading Posts: 270 
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Well at the moment you would pay £750 first year on the 2.4 (non utility/commercial)
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16th Oct 2009 10:29am |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298
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tallpaul
I didn't realise that. anyway speaking to someone else today within LR and they had also heard a comment about the 2.2 replacing the 2.4. seems to make a huge amount of sense to me. I suspect only a very small drop in performance (possibly none) but I have no doubt there could be a small reduction in co2 which I presume would drop the defender out of the £400+ / year road tax and into £215 ! now to me that would be a real bonus. I just need to know when this is going to happen  |
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17th Feb 2010 4:24pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586 
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you are wrong!!!  
see the engine structure, e.g. puma have 6 head studs each cylinder, PSA engine (freelander) only 4, puma have plasma piston coating, PSA not, ....... puma is "oversized" internal parts engine designed, PSA is "optimized" (means tiny parts) LR downgrade the injectors from piezo to solenoid for use low quality diesel (try new transit with same engine with piezo injectors).... try to drive with tow on sand for 3 or 4 hours with freelander....... PSA is a "street" oriented engine, Puma is heavy duty oriented engine.... Puma is fully military spec engine, PSA not (TD5 engine NOT also) Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition 
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17th Feb 2010 6:28pm |
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| jamesbond007 Member Since: 28 Oct 2009 Location: Central Algarve - Portugal Posts: 172  
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Well, very nice engine to drive all the same. I leave the technical stuff to the technical guys. I'm just the guy with the hands and the feet.
 Boldly going nowhere
Discovery 3 after a Defender 110 Crew Cab TD4 and a 1964 SIIA 88 Regular. |
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17th Feb 2010 9:29pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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17th Feb 2010 9:30pm |
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| jamesbond007 Member Since: 28 Oct 2009 Location: Central Algarve - Portugal Posts: 172
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Now, WHY would I want to do that?    Boldly going nowhere
Discovery 3 after a Defender 110 Crew Cab TD4 and a 1964 SIIA 88 Regular. |
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17th Feb 2010 9:31pm |
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| discocuzzy Member Since: 16 Jul 2008 Location: surrey Posts: 1200
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Definately dont try driving in sand with your D3
 even worse than a feelander!!
You will regret selling the 110 if you ever go to Tunisia/Morroco  You cannot teach stupid people to do clever things |
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18th Feb 2010 8:30am |
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| ken Member Since: 18 Aug 2009 Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !! Posts: 4328
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Oi D3 is fine in the fine (in not on)
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18th Feb 2010 9:52am |
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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6605 
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Defender won't be getting the DW12 PSA engine (2.2 Freelander unit) - it'll be getting a 2.2 litre variant of the Ford Puma.
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18th Feb 2010 10:50am |
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| jamesbond007 Member Since: 28 Oct 2009 Location: Central Algarve - Portugal Posts: 172
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Since I got stranded in the sand with my Defender, I don´t go even near it. At least with mud one stands a chance, but with sand? Forget it! Boldly going nowhere Discovery 3 after a Defender 110 Crew Cab TD4 and a 1964 SIIA 88 Regular. |
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18th Feb 2010 12:54pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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Martin, 2.2 and 2.4 are the SAME engine!!!! The only difference is the stroke of 2.2 (little bit short) - 2.2L TDCi: bore diameter of 86.0 mm and a 94.6 mm long stroke crankshaft. - 2.4L TDCi: bore diameter of 89.9 mm and a 94.6 mm long stroke crankshaft. So, I'm not realize that this downgrade will bring a lot of CO2 emission reduction (remember, it's car weight depending also), but never say never..... Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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18th Feb 2010 1:59pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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New Duratorq Diesel Engines
The two Duratorq TDCi common-rail diesel engines share the following common elements: Cylinder head with two overhead camshafts and four valves per cylinder Maintenance-free simplex timing chain drive Charge-air cooling (intercooling) Water-cooled and electronically controlled exhaust gas recirculation (e-EGR) Turbocharger with fixed turbine geometry for the low-power versions (2.2-litre 85/110PS and 2.4-litre 100/115PS) Turbocharger with variable turbine geometry for the high-power versions (2.2-litre 130PS and 2.4-litre 140PS) Weight-reduced cast-iron cylinder block (6 kg less) with optimized geometry and wall thickness for high stiffness and lower deflection of airborne noise Ladder frame design for extremely stiff layout of the engine's connection between oil pan and clutch housing Six cylinder head bolts per cylinder for highly uniform clamping of the cylinder head gasket as well as reduced deflection of bores Minimised water jacket volume contributing to optimised engine warm-up Direct assembly of ancillaries to cylinder block/ladder frame to reduce weight and radiated noise levels Both engines feature common rail injection systems. Thanks to this proven system and to the engine's very modern layout with four valves per cylinder and centralized injector, the new Duratorq TDCi engines solidly meet Stage IV emission limits that demand a 50 per cent reduction in oxides of nitrogen and a 40 per cent reduction in particulates from the outgoing Stage III levels as well as a 12,000 miles increase to 60,000 miles for system performance requirements. Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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18th Feb 2010 2:03pm |
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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586
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3.2L TDCi (is the 2.4 with one more cylinder added = 2.4/4*5= 3.2L)
200PS.................... 480Nm...................... Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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18th Feb 2010 2:06pm |
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