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Naks



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bvandyk wrote:
What will the warranty say about a de-cat?


Big no-no!

But if you just take off the cat, drill out the honeycomb material and refit, there is no way LR will know about it. I plan to do just that in a week's time. --
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bvandyk



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Naks wrote:
bvandyk wrote:
What will the warranty say about a de-cat?


Big no-no!

But if you just take off the cat, drill out the honeycomb material and refit, there is no way LR will know about it. I plan to do just that in a week's time.

Don't know why they would not like it if you actually improve the engines reliability.

What do they say about center silencer removal?
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bvandyk wrote:
Don't know why they would not like it if you actually improve the engines reliability. What do they say about center silencer removal?



Well, for starters, if you improve reliability, then it means they can't make money off you. Also, how do they ensure that everyone's mods improves reliability? Simpler to just ban everything.

Centre silencer removal is also a big no-no. But then again if you are friendly with your service manager, sometimes they let these things slip by. --
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I was told that any failure or claim that is repudiated due to a modification is because LR have proven the failure to be due to the modification......

So what failures can occur from removing the catalytic converter? "Overlanding With Bruce" - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@OverlandingwithBruce
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BruceT wrote:
I was told that any failure or claim that is repudiated due to a modification is because LR have proven the failure to be due to the modification......

So what failures can occur from removing the catalytic converter?


Or with a bigger intercooler?

My point exactly!
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bvandyk



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Is it worth taking a chance though?

I have about 20 months of warranty left
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Yes it is risky and you may need to argue the point but I have not read anything that proves any negative effects on any components because of these mods.

Constantia LR have done some decats as well as intercoolers on their customers vehicles according to Elton and the service manager, so I am sure this could even be used to argue the point. Also remember you are improving efficiency's, you are not modifying to make your Landy faster ..... (i hope)

Another example, I recently did my own brake pads. Now if something goes wrong with my brake calipers they may say it was due to my workmanship. They would have to prove it......but how many complaints have you heard related to brakes that need warranty claims?

Weigh up your risks. In my opinion. Do the intercooler first and leave the decat for later. If you are worried have LR fit the parts. Smile (will cost a bit though) "Overlanding With Bruce" - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@OverlandingwithBruce
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bvandyk



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BruceT wrote:
Yes it is risky and you may need to argue the point but I have not read anything that proves any negative effects on any components because of these mods.

Constantia LR have done some decats as well as intercoolers on their customers vehicles according to Elton and the service manager, so I am sure this could even be used to argue the point. Also remember you are improving efficiency's, you are not modifying to make your Landy faster ..... (i hope)

Another example, I recently did my own brake pads. Now if something goes wrong with my brake calipers they may say it was due to my workmanship. They would have to prove it......but how many complaints have you heard related to brakes that need warranty claims?

Weigh up your risks. In my opinion. Do the intercooler first and leave the decat for later. If you are worried have LR fit the parts. Smile (will cost a bit though)

Yes true. Infact I also fitted my own brake pads at a 6th of the quoted LR price
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With just removing the honeycomb of the cat and refitting will the flow performance be less than a dedicated Decat ? Thumbs Up
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pannawonica wrote:
With just removing the honeycomb of the cat and refitting will the flow performance be less than a dedicated Decat ? Thumbs Up


A few guys have done this in South Africa and have reported better power up hills and cooler interiors. I dont know though. "Overlanding With Bruce" - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@OverlandingwithBruce
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BruceT wrote:
pannawonica wrote:
With just removing the honeycomb of the cat and refitting will the flow performance be less than a dedicated Decat ? Thumbs Up


A few guys have done this in South Africa and have reported better power up hills and cooler interiors. I dont know though.

I am considering it.... But read somewhere a guy got a "hollow" sound to the exhaust from doing it.
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bvandyk



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BruceT wrote:

I never thought about air flow and you have probably hit the nail on the head. There was a difference in intake temps but not a huge difference.

I would definately hazard a guess that the biggest difference is due to the amount of air going into the combustion chamber....i can not see how around 5 deg C can make that much difference.



Ben I think you need to maybe look at cleaning out your intercooler also. (maybe come fetch my standard one and do a swop - I will help you)

Yes, I think we definitely should've measured the airflow as well.

Think I must get my intercooler cleaned out, and see if it makes a difference in driveability
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bvandyk wrote:
BruceT wrote:
pannawonica wrote:
With just removing the honeycomb of the cat and refitting will the flow performance be less than a dedicated Decat ? Thumbs Up


A few guys have done this in South Africa and have reported better power up hills and cooler interiors. I dont know though.

I am considering it.... But read somewhere a guy got a "hollow" sound to the exhaust from doing it.


Dont do anything........I may be able to make a plan for you in about a week or so..... Will let you know. "Overlanding With Bruce" - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@OverlandingwithBruce
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FYI on the decat

i have done it 2 months ago, (taking out the internals of the original pipe) and absolutely no interior sound difference from the exhaust on a 110. You hear the turbo a bit more and on the outside it's rough what comes out as sound (as in "nice") This is also without middle box.

On a 90 both mods do make a bigger interior difference i was told.(booming)

Only one thing about which i am not sure yet.
I get recently (but not directly "since" doing the decat) overboost failures of the turbo. Not sure if it's my damaged/repaired harness causing this or the decat. Looking at the scangauge i susect the harness as the turbo simply doesnt step down and blows till 1.6 kg once coming at 2000rpm, triggering the fault code.
Have a replacement harness coming in today so hopefully i'll know by monday.

Smile
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Pete Bell advised me against de-cat due to possible back-pressure problems with the standard turbo.
I don't know much about these things - just reporting what a professional said Sheep Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
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