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B (Pre 97)
31%
 31%  [17]
B (Post 97 so no trailers)
16%
 16%  [9]
B+E
14%
 14%  [8]
C+E
37%
 37%  [20]
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iruffell



Member Since: 03 Sep 2010
Location: Marlow, Buckinghamshire
Posts: 343

United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
B, BE, C1, C1E, D1, D1E, fklnp

Don't have a clue what fklnp is
Post #175754 14th Oct 2012 6:42pm
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JJ



Member Since: 18 May 2009
Location: Winchester
Posts: 932

United Kingdom 1987 Defender 110 V8 Petrol CSW Corris Grey
B, BE, C1, C1E, D1, D1E, fklnp

Valid until 03/12/2032 , must put that on the calender .
Post #175783 14th Oct 2012 7:50pm
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T1G UP



Member Since: 08 Dec 2009
Location: Bath
Posts: 3101

England 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Orkney Grey
you lot make me feel real old! passed my test in '90

got a paper one in a plastic wallet with a card with my face on Whistle Rolling with laughter
Post #175784 14th Oct 2012 7:53pm
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BBSJK



Member Since: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Ledbury, Herefs
Posts: 100

England 1998 Defender 90 V8 Petrol 50th Auto Atlantis Blue
Got A, B, BE, C, CE, D, DE, fklnp

But still got D1E on my provisional, go figure? Confused

JK No the other left . . .
Post #175785 14th Oct 2012 7:54pm
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iruffell



Member Since: 03 Sep 2010
Location: Marlow, Buckinghamshire
Posts: 343

United Kingdom 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
here's what they mean

A1 Light motorcycles of no more than 125cc and of a power output of no more than 11kW (14.6bhp).
A Motorcycles, with or without a sidecar.
B1 Motor tricycles or quadbikes weighing up to 550kg (with no passenger).
B Motor cars or light vans with up to eight passenger seats and weighing up to 3500kg. A light trailer can be attached.
C1 Vehicles weighing between 3500kg and 7500kg. A trailer weighing up to 750kg can be attached.
C Vehicles weighing over 3500kg. A trailer weighing up to 750kg can be attached.
D1 Small passenger-carrying vehicles with nine to 16 passenger seats. A trailer weighing up to 750kg can be attached.
D Any bus with more than eight passenger seats. A trailer weighing up to 750kg can be attached.
B+E Motor cars or light vans with up to eight passenger seats, weighing up to 3500kg and pulling a heavy trailer.
C1+E Vehicles of between 3500kg and 7500kg pulling a trailer weighing over 750kg. (Combined weight of no more than 2000kg.)
C+E Vehicles weighing over 3500kg pulling a trailer weighing over 750kg.
D1+E Small passenger-carrying vehicles with nine to 16 passenger seats and pulling a trailer over
750kg. (Combined weight of no more than 12000kg.)
D+E Any bus with more than eight passenger seats pulling a trailer weighing over 750kg.
f Agricultural tractors
g Roadrollers
h Tracked vehicles
k Pedestrian-controlled vehicles
l Electric vehicles
n Vehicles used for very short distances on public roads
p Mopeds

bit gutted I can't drive a roadroller
Post #175786 14th Oct 2012 7:56pm
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VeeTee



Member Since: 06 Mar 2011
Location: Somewhere
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Netherlands 
T1G UP wrote:
you lot make me feel real old! passed my test in '90


Hmmm, old? Shocked Passed in '82 (B+E) ... Cheers, Vincent
1959 Polynorm 1/4 Ton Trailer, Olive Drab Green (sold)
1970 M416 Military Trailer (Camping Trailer Conversion), Epsom Green (sold)
1975 Series III 88 V6, Light Green (sadly sold)
1996 Defender 110 CSW 300 Tdi, Epsom Green (sold)
2000 Freelander 1 TD4 3-drs, Silver (sold)
2006 Freelander 1 TD4 5-drs Facelift Automatic, Tonga Green (sold)

MySite
Post #175789 14th Oct 2012 8:00pm
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Welshsurferdude



Member Since: 23 Feb 2012
Location: Newport
Posts: 2402

Wales 
82 is the year i was born haha 2008 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold)

2015 Discovery 4.5 Black pack Firenze red XS

2008 Corris Grey 110 XS USW (sold)

2011 Santorini Black 110 XS USW (Sold)
Post #175791 14th Oct 2012 8:03pm
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XS Pete



Member Since: 13 Jan 2011
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 632

England 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Quote:
you lot make me feel real old! passed my test in '90


How do you think I feel? I passed mine in '82! Big Cry

Pete
Post #175794 14th Oct 2012 8:08pm
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Defender SVX



Member Since: 29 Jan 2009
Location: Co Durham
Posts: 728

United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SVX Soft Top Santorini Black
Passed my test 1st time in 1997 at 17, 3 first time passes later this is my daily drive Sad


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Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated Mr. Green  Formerly mao99999
16 Focus RS Nitrous Blue.
11 FFRR TDV8 Vouge SE Black Black.
08 DEFENDER SVX SOFT TOP (SUPERB)
08 DEFENDER 110 DCPU Stornoway grey (Overland Exploration Unit)
05 Fiesta ST 150 Van
04 Jaguar XKR 4.2 Supercharged V8
02 DEFENDER 90 TD5 (next years soft top project)
95 DEFENDER 110 CSW 300 TDi Phoenix black
95 DEFENDER 90 HT Monti Carlo blue COUNTY 300 TDi
67 109" SERIES 2a TUNED 200 TDI
64 DAVID BROWN 990 rat look
55 86" SERIES 1
Post #175798 14th Oct 2012 8:16pm
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22900013A



Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 3149

United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green
Glynparry25 wrote:
I have to get my head around this as it sounds dodgy.

Say I only had a B licence.

My Defender weighs 2650Kg (and has a tow capacity of 3500KG).... so I can have a trailer up to 750Kg.

But if I use my missus's Feroza (Weighs 1500Kg) I can tow up to 1499Kg.

That is Fu*ked up!!!

Glad I can tow anything without having to worry about that chart Mr. Green

Glyn Dog Sheep


Thats not quite the case Glyn.

If the 110 has a gross weight of 3050KG, (your 2650 sounds a bit low) then you can tow a trailer weighing upto 1200KG, as you are allowed a train weight of 4250KG.

I don't know what a Feroza is (goes to check google)

Hmmm, yes you may be able to tow more with that. I know one anomaly is you can two more with a swb Landrover than a lwb as the swb weighs less.

EDIT - that is my understanding, however the Ifor WIlliams flow diagram posted above would seem to say that you are limited to 750KG. :/ They seem to be saying that the train weight can only be reached if the trailer is less than 750KG MAM.

All I can say is I am glad I have my B&E as it makes life so much easier.
Post #175801 14th Oct 2012 8:57pm
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wslr



Member Since: 18 Jul 2010
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United Kingdom 
Talking to an agricultural engineer last week, he says VOSA will want tacho's on all vehicles that tow as part of a business, even if that is just once or twice a year? Anyone hear that?
Post #175805 14th Oct 2012 9:09pm
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leeds



Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8581

United Kingdom 
VeeTee wrote:
T1G UP wrote:
you lot make me feel real old! passed my test in '90


Hmmm, old? Shocked Passed in '82 (B+E) ...


Hmmmm Mere youngsters the pair of you!



Brendan
Post #175807 14th Oct 2012 9:11pm
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custom90



Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
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United Kingdom 
Wslr - I've heard about that but I think at the end of it it was just talk. For now at least.. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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Post #175808 14th Oct 2012 9:12pm
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22900013A



Member Since: 23 Dec 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green
wslr wrote:
Talking to an agricultural engineer last week, he says VOSA will want tacho's on all vehicles that tow as part of a business, even if that is just once or twice a year? Anyone hear that?


Thats been the law for years. If you tow for hire or reward you need a tacho, hence why I have on in the 110.
Where it becomes a grey area is if you use a trailer as part of your business, for example a tree surgeon towing a mulcher - you can't get a clear answer from VOSA as to if that is considered hire and reward or not. I would say not, as the "work" is trimming trees, not driving.
The number of times used does not matter, you could have a class 1 artic that only makes one journey a year, that journey would still require a tacho and drivers hours rules to be followed. Interestingly you can drive a class C1 for personal use (eg moving house) without a tacho, but you cannot do that with a full-size class 2, you would have to use a tacho even if its for personal use.
Post #175810 14th Oct 2012 9:15pm
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WelshGas



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Wales 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
1966 Rolling with laughter LANDYWATCH

Neighbourhood Watch for Land Rover Owners

http://www.landywatch.co.uk/smf2/index.php
Post #175831 15th Oct 2012 5:49am
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