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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20612  
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What ever happens and whoever is entitled to drive a certain category or not one thing for sure is if you find yourself needing to take a test for a category that you don't currently hold you can guarantee that the DSA will quickly help themselves to your wallet. Okay, safety does come into it and I am not saying otherwise what so ever but they make fully sure that they get plenty of £ out of it. I hate to think what HGV tests cost? Personally one of the reasons I think a lot of you think that the driving standard has dropped is the simple fact that new drivers (include myself if you like being new) simply don't get enough experience and tuition prior to getting on the road. Passing the test on one day doesn't mean your a seasoned driver and you learn constantly. I also can't help but think the minimum age should go up to 18 instead of 17 for a Cat B. I know of a certain person that lives local that learnt and so called passed her test 1st time in only a few months and the next minute the car was driven into a post in a 20mph sped limit.
  I took around a year and a half in my process and passed 3rd time (in the 90 may I add) And I've never had any real problems and certainly don't do the stupidity and what is classed as the "norm" for young drivers such as speeding / messing around with phones ect while driving. I feel ashamed quite often by my similar age group as the decent law abiding few are now becoming a minority. It really is a shame. I could go on and on to this but that would be more for the Grumpy old man thread. Chillin In The Backwoods🇬🇧🇺🇸
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15th Oct 2012 12:08pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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The HGV2 test was about £2K all in when I did it in 2011...it has probably gone up now. B&E was IIRC £550ish, class 1 on top of class 2 is about £1500 for the weeks tuition plus test. You don't have to repeat the CPC modules etc for class 1, just the practical test.
In Europe drivers cannot pass their test until a certain number of hours have been done behind the wheel (IIRC Portugal is about 35 hours) maybe we should have something similar here. With respect to driving standards though, we are at a dead loss as there is no police presence on the roads anymore, and even the courts seem reluctant to take peoples licences off them. "But your honour, I need to drive to get to work" pleads the guy. "Well, you should have though of that before you did 110 down the M40 shouldn't you" should be reply, but we all know they get away with it. Likewise insurers should just refuse to insure these people, which would benefit all of us with cheaper premiums. |
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15th Oct 2012 12:37pm |
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| megatoad Member Since: 07 Jan 2012 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 358 
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Aha, so that must be the 107 in the section 12 codes panel on the back of my licence, Iwonder what 101 & 119 are against the D1 & D1E, something similar perhaps? |
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15th Oct 2012 12:40pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17598 
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I don't disagree with your first statement, however when I took my car licence test I took the test that was then in force for driving 7.5 tonners, there was no other test. You could not take a test specifically for a 7.5 tonner because there was no such thing. You were trained and tested to a standard which made you safe in a vehicle up to and including that size. (I cannot remember now if it was possible then actually to turn up to take your car test in a 7.5 tonner, but I don't think so). You seem to be arguing that passing the only test that was in force at the time for that class of vehicle means I am for some reason not competent to drive them, and the fact that a new test has subsequently been introduced means that it should be applied retrospectively. This I suggest is a very dangerous argument and the start of a slippery slope, exactly the sort of thing Eurocrats are good at. How would you react if, say, next year a new category of test was introduced for 4x4 and SUV types; would you argue that anyone who didn't actually take their test in a 4x4 was no longer competent to drive one? The difference between a typical driving school Nissan Microbe type vehicle and a 2.5 ton 4x4 are perhaps not as great as the difference between a car and 7.5 tonner, but still ample to mean that there are plenty of drivers who will not be able to cope. If you take your car test today you are given a licence to drive an agricultural tractor. You cannot possibly generalise and say that because someone "only" passed their test in a car they are incompetent to drive a tractor. Or perhaps you can. There are, I concede, plenty of people who seem to pass their tests these days who are actually not competent even to be allowed out of doors, let alone to be out driving, but that is a systemic failure of society. Re. your second point, you are completely right. The law says that if you have C1 and C1E by virtue of grandfather rights you cannot supervise a C1 or C1E learner, but that is only because if you did so you would be supervising someone for a category you do not yourself hold. Remember that if you have GF rights you will have the 8250kg gross combined mass limit on your licence, because that it is the equivalent to your original 7.5ton entitlement. The learner you are supervising however will be training for a 12000kg GCM limit, something you are not allowed to drive. You have never been allowed to supervise a leraner to drive something you are not entitled to drive yourself, and so you cannot do it in this case. This is the only reason for this prohibition. Mind you, that does bring up another question. As someone who holds C1(107), C1E(107), and (unrestricted) C and CE categories, can I supervise a C1 or C1E learner? I can definitely supervise a C or CE learner, but I am not sure about the restricted categories. It's a minefield! |
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15th Oct 2012 12:47pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17598
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All in my post on the previous page:-
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15th Oct 2012 12:49pm |
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| kingofthesparks Member Since: 06 Jan 2011 Location: Very close to Watford gap services , northants Posts: 987 
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You could have legally supervised that learner as b+e is specifically excluded from the requirement to take test yourself, grandfather rights are fine. |
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15th Oct 2012 7:15pm |
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| kingofthesparks Member Since: 06 Jan 2011 Location: Very close to Watford gap services , northants Posts: 987
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Yes you can supervise c1 or c1e as you have gain these catorgorys by virtue of upgrading |
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15th Oct 2012 7:19pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17598
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Presumably this is true only if the gross combined weight of the D3 and horse trailer was less than 3500kg, which I would think is unlikely given that the kerb weight of a D3 is around 2600kg I believe. I don't know the weight of a horse trailer but they look pretty solid (and so do the horses, for that matter). If the gross combined weight is over 3500kg then to drive the outfit you'd need C1E or CE and a driver with C1E GF rights would be able legally to drive but not to supervise a learner. Someone who's taken and passed the C1E test could both drive and supervise. At least that is my understanding. |
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15th Oct 2012 8:08pm |
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| kingofthesparks Member Since: 06 Jan 2011 Location: Very close to Watford gap services , northants Posts: 987
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No you are misunderstanding , you could have a d3 with a 3500kg trailer it would come under b+e even though the total is well over 3500kg |
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15th Oct 2012 8:12pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Brendan |
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15th Oct 2012 8:16pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17598
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Thanks guys, I was well wrong re the horse trailer! Should engage brain first!
What's the MAM of a D3? Less than 3501kg I presume. |
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15th Oct 2012 8:24pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20612
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A post with the weights of a 90 110 and 130. Both unladen and MAM weights would be interesting reading. I haven't had time to look it all up myself though.
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15th Oct 2012 8:31pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8582
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Now how many people are aware that a photo driving licence has an expiry date? My photo driving licence expires 29/4/15 Now it is illegal to drive when photo driving licence has expired. Now I am licenced to drive various vehicles up to 15/6/21 Now will I have to take a new trailer test on the expiry of my photo driving licence or am I ok until 2021??? Yes the law is about as clear as mud! Brendan |
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15th Oct 2012 8:54pm |
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| TR51 Member Since: 17 Apr 2012 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 333  
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Brendan
I believe you simply have to send away for a new photo card license as its to ensure that the photo is (vaguely) recent ie no 60 year olds with the photo of a 17year old... Your paper counterpart should not need renewing (and so can still drive while your new one is dispatched). Re your B+E it should be valid until 2021 (date on your counterpart). |
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15th Oct 2012 9:09pm |
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