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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015   
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From what I have seen it is 50:50 on the forum.
Quite a few saying they are happy with the performance and much more than happy with the noise (quieter than the 2.4). I do believe all the slagging has been over the point that has been mentioned by you- about the slight lack of guts when it comes to heavy towing (I tow 2.5t quite regular so it isn't for me). The other points bought out have been MPG- bit lower than the 2.4 (which is lower than the Td5, which is lower than the 300Tdi.....). But at the same time there aren't many fully run in yet so the jury is still out. Also there is the dreaded DPF talk. All car manufacturers are having problems with DPFs so it is only time before the problems arise with the 2.2........ Unless you regularly do longer journeys at higher speeds. Still no tuning for it yet either though  - where is the fun in that!!!! 
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27th Sep 2012 2:49pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3750  
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Hence my debate as to whether i go ahead and order my 5th Puma !! California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1 Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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27th Sep 2012 2:59pm |
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| nidge n Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 719 
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I deliberated long and hard over new 2.2 or demo 2.4. I chose the 2.2 and for my needs its been a really good choice. Now i will readily admit to not doing anything extreme, but i will happily confess to using many of the land rovers attributes. In short, i can do what i need to do in terms of off road use but still cruise the motorways and use it for kiddy/dog/DIY and
 carrying. Interestingly, i have had no issues with DPF and completely forget that this is part of the engines make-up. Has anyone had an issue with DPF yet? |
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27th Sep 2012 3:30pm |
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| AndyS Member Since: 18 Aug 2012 Location: London Posts: 595  
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I mentioned the particle filter while at the dealer a couple of weeks ago, he said everything you need to know is in the user manual but salespeople ought to mention the need for thrashing it up the motorway from time to time. He said it stores particles until it gets really hot, such as when on the motorway, when it'll burn them off and clean itself out. Without that heat cycle it'll clog.
I think that's fair enough if you were told at the point of sale. I'd have no problem issue with getting a 2.2. |
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27th Sep 2012 3:58pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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^^^Pretty much in a nutshell. It comes down personal needs/ circumstances
If you regularly do over 55ish for a long trip (approx 30mins at constant speed) then you will generate enough heat to clear the DPF..... but if you are doing short journeys, low speeds or start/ stop then it will start to clog- if it goes too far it clogs up completely and will need replacing (anything from £2500 to £3000+). I do loads of off-road and towing (plus the speed limit here is 50mph) so would be forever changing the DPF, so for me and my personal circumstances it would be a no-go. Glyn |
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27th Sep 2012 4:05pm |
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| nidge n Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 719
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This 2-2 DPF thread is interesting. I for one dont know if we are dealing with facts or not. I have had my car six months. I dont do long motorway journeys although i will run the car for more than half an hour at normal road speeds. At no point has my warning light come on asking me to take to the hills on a long journey. so its either a faulty warning lamp or the DPF is doing its job. I would still be interested to learn if anyone has actually had a DPF related fault so at least i know what to look for. If not, do we assume that all is not as bad as we are believing? It is what it is but I for one would like to know. For those who have another land rover product with DPF, may i please ask if you have had any issues with your cars. I think that some Freelanders have suffered but im not too sure if LR have suffered more than other manufactures.
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27th Sep 2012 5:37pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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I remember that when switching to the Puma 2.2 Land Rover went out of their way saying that the DPF was on purpose placed right after the exit of the exhaust gases, and the DPF therefore would get hot enough that even people who drive shorter non-highway distances only would have no problems.
Hope it turns out to be like that. As a matter of fact, I am a regular reader here, and to date have not seen one 2.2 driver reporting that he had a real DPF problem. I may have missed some comments, but sounds like it is all working out ok, no? You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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27th Sep 2012 6:08pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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nidge n, when you say 'normal road speeds' what do you mean? It varies from area to area.
When I lived in London it was 20mph because of traffic, when in West wales it was 40mph because of the type of roads, when I was in Rutland it was about 50-60mph because of good roads and not congested. I have recently been tasked with looking at vehicles for purchase out here- they gave me makes, models and possible engines. Every manufacturer that I visited (Pretty much every manufacturer) were more than happy to sell me a diesel, but when I asked if it had a DPF and would it be suitable for town/ start-stop driving they all admitted that it will be unsuitable and advised that I either go for a petrol (about £2-4,000 cheaper) or possibly the hybrid (about £1-2,000 more expensive) if I could stretch my budget that far. Glyn |
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27th Sep 2012 6:27pm |
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| Defender-Stu Member Since: 14 Jun 2012 Location: South West England Posts: 1320
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Is the DPF covered under warranty? And is there a bye pass section on the market for this yet?
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27th Sep 2012 6:28pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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Yes and yes............ A DPF will be covered by warranty, and it wouldn't take much to take the down pipe and ecu from a ROW 2.2. But your vehicle is certified as Euro 6 (is it 6? or 5?, whichever needs DPF). which means once your DPF is removed the vehicle isn't legally Euro 6 and therefore breaks European law. Glyn |
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27th Sep 2012 6:33pm |
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| nidge n Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 719
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Evening Glyn my driving must not average more than 30 MPH for the vast majority of the week, short stop start driving. Then perhaps for one day in the week i may do a 30 minute drive average 50 MPH. Interestingly, I wonder how heat and air quality effects efficiency  |
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27th Sep 2012 8:03pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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If you are getting that drive in each week you 'should' be pretty safe as it wll give the DPF time to burn off the soot, and if it doesn't do it completely it will probably keep it at bay until you do a good drive. It is more for people who don't get that regular run out, like me, I can go a couple of tanks without going over 40-50mph.
Out of curiosity, what mileage have you racked up in the 6 months? Glyn |
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27th Sep 2012 8:16pm |
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| nidge n Member Since: 04 Feb 2012 Location: Cheshire Posts: 719
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Glyn, not high milage. Average 1000 miles per month so I'm on 6000 ish. I have to say. I love this car. |
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27th Sep 2012 8:28pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4677 
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Do I need one?
The fitment of a particulate filter to diesel-engined cars is becoming increasingly commonplace in order to meet emissions legislation and to achieve cleaner exhaust gases. Nevertheless, driving constraints in such locations as inner-city and islands (e.g. Channel Islands, Isle of Man) are unlikely to facilitate passive regeneration. Please consider your driving style and normal driving conditions to determine whether a diesel- or petrol-engined car is best suited to meet your needs. The above is from the Volvo site. Like with the tdci Land Rover had it forced on them. Did they not say they had it on test with farmers for some time and their were no issues with it? The tdci engine turned out to be a great fitment (less mpg than previous Land Rover engines accepted) so I dont think I'd have any issues buying a 2.2 Puma with a dpf if that was all there was available. I find it hard to believe that the 2.2 is quieter than my 2.4 which I think is incredibly refined. I'd say if you had a clogged dpf I very much doubt if you could claim under warranty. All they have to say is that you did not follow the guidelines in the handbook - of which I am sure there are many. I remember that the worries here used to be about the EGR valve. Four years on and I have no bother with mine. Probably be the same with the dpf. If I had a 2.2 with a dpf I don't think I'd need much of an exscuse to take it out for a "dpf cleaning exercise" 
Enjoy  1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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27th Sep 2012 8:46pm |
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