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chadjizz

Member Since: 25 Apr 2012
Location: sussex
Posts: 559

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Orkney Grey

spudfan wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the 2.2 is quieter than my 2.4 which I think is incredibly refined.

i promise you it is. i had a 2.4 HCPU, drove round to a friends (sgh) to look at his new 2.2, got in, drove and the first thing i noticed was the reduced sound even with massive tires on.

27th Sep 2012 9:18pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4677

Good Grief. In the 2.4 I can here the Mrs talk. In a 2.2 I'd probably be able to here her think.

Never had that problem in the tdi

1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

27th Sep 2012 9:37pm

keith

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2214

Nope ! There is no way im stopping the slagging on this 2,2 , 25 yrs a customer and 14 LRs later All i bought this time was an oval badge . How can there be so much greatness and excitement about a defender that has less weight , cheeper parts , thinner panels and an engine that has been strangled to the point of death just so it can tick the boxes of the EU emitions control . just so it can get past another year , Just so Mr Tata can get shot of it and not have the irony of a 65 yr old dinausaur hanging around his stable . Everything that has been mentioned about this 2.2 new modern super efficient environmentally friendly defender goes against the whole point and meaning of what a defender stands for . Have all you new owners who think this 2.2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread gone mad ? There are hundreds of postings about how this engine management system and its dpf are killing this engine , hundreds of listings from those desperate to get it remapped , desperate to get it running right and you say this is the greatest defender ever ? all for the sake of emitions and the environment eh ! If you want to be environmentally friendly , fuel efficient , and kind to the EU then you should have bought a Toyota a Nissan a Smart car an electric hybrid anything but a Landrover Defender . Im ragging at thoughts of this being a great defender .

27th Sep 2012 10:32pm

Inigo

Member Since: 13 Nov 2011
Location: Kent
Posts: 617

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

I had a Jaguar XF, that had a DPF. It was fine on my 40 mile enthusiastic motorway commute everyday. My wife borrowed it to pootle around town for a bit and very quickly (less than an hour's driving) got an orange warning light. Handbook said car should be driven at speed for at least 30 minutes. Did this and no problems since.

I recently moved offices - my commute is now 7 miles, country roads - part of my justification for getting the Defender was it would be better suited to shorter journeys. When I ordered it, it was the tail end of the 2.4 and the salesman said it might be a 2.2, but it was essentially the same. He didn't mention the DPF and if I new about it I would have gone for a 2.4 instead.

However, 7,000 miles later, mostly short journeys, not had a warning light come on yet. Do we get an early warning light, or is it just straight to catastrophic failure?

27th Sep 2012 10:47pm

d j hutton

Member Since: 30 Jul 2009
Location: Dorset
Posts: 1044

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Orkney Grey

I got the DPF info leaflet in my vehicle pack when I picked up my 110 last November, that's got all in info about warning lights etc, only thing is mines a 2.4

(Or is it, it's got the 12 my plastic leash on the fuel cap

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27th Sep 2012 10:58pm

WWA

Member Since: 12 Aug 2012
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 197

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 DCPU Orkney Grey

keith wrote:
Nope ! There is no way im stopping the slagging on this 2,2 , 25 yrs a customer and 14 LRs later All i bought this time was an oval badge . How can there be so much greatness and excitement about a defender that has less weight , cheeper parts , thinner panels and an engine that has been strangled to the point of death just so it can tick the boxes of the EU emitions control . just so it can get past another year , Just so Mr Tata can get shot of it and not have the irony of a 65 yr old dinausaur hanging around his stable . Everything that has been mentioned about this 2.2 new modern super efficient environmentally friendly defender goes against the whole point and meaning of what a defender stands for . Have all you new owners who think this 2.2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread gone mad ? There are hundreds of postings about how this engine management system and its dpf are killing this engine , hundreds of listings from those desperate to get it remapped , desperate to get it running right and you say this is the greatest defender ever ? all for the sake of emitions and the environment eh ! If you want to be environmentally friendly , fuel efficient , and kind to the EU then you should have bought a Toyota a Nissan a Smart car an electric hybrid anything but a Landrover Defender . Im ragging at thoughts of this being a great defender .

Kieth, no one said I never said it was the greatest defender ever built. Just that the 2.2 is the most civilised and nicest to drive defender ever built, whilst still doing the job it was intended for. Personally I think the 2.4/ 2.2 are not too different so we will blanket them and say, the puma is the most civilised and easiest to drive defender yet. The fact is that no matter how anti EU and how little you care about emissions, as a land rover fan you're still going have to listen up and accept that defenders have to match the same rules and laws as all other cars, so if you want a new land rover, which is still as good as the day they were made at doing its job, the you're going to have to own one that complys with the rules made in Brussels. On the tuning note, I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with tuning pumas to make them run better. For more power, yes I get that. But for a smoother ride?? I think the engine and the gear box compliment each other perfectly and it's a joy to drive. Plus the lowest ever, high range 1st gear is really useful.

28th Sep 2012 6:36am

ericvv

Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
Location: Near the Jet d'Eau
Posts: 5816

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

WWA wrote:
On the tuning note, I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with tuning pumas to make them run better. For more power, yes I get that. But for a smoother ride?? I think the engine and the gear box compliment each other perfectly and it's a joy to drive. Plus the lowest ever, high range 1st gear is really useful.

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28th Sep 2012 6:54am

Odin

Member Since: 29 Apr 2011
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 237

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Santorini Black

WWA wrote:
keith wrote:
Nope ! There is no way im stopping the slagging on this 2,2 , 25 yrs a customer and 14 LRs later All i bought this time was an oval badge . How can there be so much greatness and excitement about a defender that has less weight , cheeper parts , thinner panels and an engine that has been strangled to the point of death just so it can tick the boxes of the EU emitions control . just so it can get past another year , Just so Mr Tata can get shot of it and not have the irony of a 65 yr old dinausaur hanging around his stable . Everything that has been mentioned about this 2.2 new modern super efficient environmentally friendly defender goes against the whole point and meaning of what a defender stands for . Have all you new owners who think this 2.2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread gone mad ? There are hundreds of postings about how this engine management system and its dpf are killing this engine , hundreds of listings from those desperate to get it remapped , desperate to get it running right and you say this is the greatest defender ever ? all for the sake of emitions and the environment eh ! If you want to be environmentally friendly , fuel efficient , and kind to the EU then you should have bought a Toyota a Nissan a Smart car an electric hybrid anything but a Landrover Defender . Im ragging at thoughts of this being a great defender .

Kieth, no one said I never said it was the greatest defender ever built. Just that the 2.2 is the most civilised and nicest to drive defender ever built, whilst still doing the job it was intended for. Personally I think the 2.4/ 2.2 are not too different so we will blanket them and say, the puma is the most civilised and easiest to drive defender yet. The fact is that no matter how anti EU and how little you care about emissions, as a land rover fan you're still going have to listen up and accept that defenders have to match the same rules and laws as all other cars, so if you want a new land rover, which is still as good as the day they were made at doing its job, the you're going to have to own one that complys with the rules made in Brussels. On the tuning note, I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with tuning pumas to make them run better. For more power, yes I get that. But for a smoother ride?? I think the engine and the gear box compliment each other perfectly and it's a joy to drive. Plus the lowest ever, high range 1st gear is really useful.

Totally agree.

28th Sep 2012 4:25pm

keith

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 2214

WWA wrote:
keith wrote:
Nope ! There is no way im stopping the slagging on this 2,2 , 25 yrs a customer and 14 LRs later All i bought this time was an oval badge . How can there be so much greatness and excitement about a defender that has less weight , cheeper parts , thinner panels and an engine that has been strangled to the point of death just so it can tick the boxes of the EU emitions control . just so it can get past another year , Just so Mr Tata can get shot of it and not have the irony of a 65 yr old dinausaur hanging around his stable . Everything that has been mentioned about this 2.2 new modern super efficient environmentally friendly defender goes against the whole point and meaning of what a defender stands for . Have all you new owners who think this 2.2 is the greatest thing since sliced bread gone mad ? There are hundreds of postings about how this engine management system and its dpf are killing this engine , hundreds of listings from those desperate to get it remapped , desperate to get it running right and you say this is the greatest defender ever ? all for the sake of emitions and the environment eh ! If you want to be environmentally friendly , fuel efficient , and kind to the EU then you should have bought a Toyota a Nissan a Smart car an electric hybrid anything but a Landrover Defender . Im ragging at thoughts of this being a great defender .

Kieth, no one said I never said it was the greatest defender ever built. Just that the 2.2 is the most civilised and nicest to drive defender ever built, whilst still doing the job it was intended for. Personally I think the 2.4/ 2.2 are not too different so we will blanket them and say, the puma is the most civilised and easiest to drive defender yet. The fact is that no matter how anti EU and how little you care about emissions, as a land rover fan you're still going have to listen up and accept that defenders have to match the same rules and laws as all other cars, so if you want a new land rover, which is still as good as the day they were made at doing its job, the you're going to have to own one that complys with the rules made in Brussels. On the tuning note, I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with tuning pumas to make them run better. For more power, yes I get that. But for a smoother ride?? I think the engine and the gear box compliment each other perfectly and it's a joy to drive. Plus the lowest ever, high range 1st gear is really useful.

Thank you for your kind reply . Please accept that my reply is not personal or aimed at any one who loves their 2.2 , incidentally , iv just been recovered by LR assistance ( again ) this time clutch fail , unable to find gear , pedal on the floor .

28th Sep 2012 6:01pm

Landyrob

Member Since: 07 Jul 2011
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 93

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Alpine White

i'm happy with my 2,2 110 hardtop, no problems so far, i swap with my 90 hardtop 2,4 every week
i was suprized how many issues people had with their 2,4 in 2008 when they came out... and now it's the same with the 2,2
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28th Sep 2012 6:09pm

rossy

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Co. Roscommon
Posts: 1296

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

well whatever people think about the 2.2 it has the distinction of being the last ever Defender engine which will bestow a certain amount of kudos as the years pass.

By the way its quieter than a 2.4 but not quieter than the 2.4 with a Noisekiller engine blanket !

28th Sep 2012 8:03pm

Martyn

Member Since: 10 Feb 2011
Location: Stourbridge, West Midlands
Posts: 151

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 PU Keswick Green

Dropped my 2.4 in at the stealers today for its 2nd service and a list of 15 warranty items needing attention. Loan car was a brand new (700 miles on the clock) 62 plate 110 Utility XS - factory standard in Aintree Green. After driving 30 miles to the stealers and jumping straight into it, was amazed at how refined the engine was and how quiet in the cab. Doesn't sound clunky like the 2.4. Also, the rear exhaust was as shiny as when it left the factory so the DPF doing its job! Not thick with black soot like mine

Not sure about the lack of guts. Got no towing to do this weekend so couldn't comment.

Was eye opening getting into a new defender. Goes to show how tired mine is looking after 14 months / 25,000 miles

28th Sep 2012 8:04pm

Odin

Member Since: 29 Apr 2011
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 237

Good thread - I'm really pleased to read about so many people pleased with the 2.2 despite all the whining within the forum. Luddites beware.

28th Sep 2012 11:07pm

WWA

Member Since: 12 Aug 2012
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 197

Yer I'm pleased a lot if people seem happy with their 2.2s and 2.4s. They are both great engines. Pains me when I read on here about people canceling orders of new defenders or been put off getting one by other people who have had issues or just had moans with new defenders. I think if you have the money for a puma then just go for it and see how it goes, because if you get a good one it will be great and if not then it will (for a while) be in warranty anyhow. People get hung up on the past too much when it comes to land rovers. Just got to except they are changing, love them because they are still great, and most importantly, don't worry about it too much, life's too short.

29th Sep 2012 6:27am

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

ericvv wrote:
WWA wrote:
On the tuning note, I don't understand why so many people are obsessed with tuning pumas to make them run better. For more power, yes I get that. But for a smoother ride?? I think the engine and the gear box compliment each other perfectly and it's a joy to drive. Plus the lowest ever, high range 1st gear is really useful.

x2

it baffles me too ... if you want to go fast buy an M3 or a caterham .. defenders are the wrong shape. Having said that, I've never driven a tricked-up defender - then there's the economy question ... some people say tuned defenders are more economical ... again you don't buy a defender for it's fuel efficiency but you probably don't want to make it worse ... my thoughts

29th Sep 2012 6:35am

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