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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816   
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Agree, and if follow the spirit of a typical Swiss watch advertisement,...
"....You never actually own a Puma Defender, you merely take care of it for the next generation....  "
...,I think you better stay away from any tuning. http://www.google.ch/imgres?q=you+never+ow...1,s:0,i:74 You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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29th Sep 2012 6:47am |
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| BigWheels Member Since: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 1405  
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THe LRO article quotes a Terry Somethingorother, who said the 2.2 DPF had been tested with/by farmers & had passed requirements for slow drives & DPF function together. Of course I take such badge-dedicated mags articles with a pinch of salt, & don't expect anything but an "its OK" report.
What I've read on D2 about thinner bonnet, panels etc, & other comparitive differences between 2.4 & 2.2 is of equal concern to the DPF issue. 2.4s will gain in re-sale value, & owner cherishment over the years, I hope. I'd go for a good pre-owned 2.4 or TD5 first (being a UK resident) while they're still around. Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender |
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30th Sep 2012 3:06pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015  
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I have just been suprised at how many members have the 2.2......you have all been quite quiet about it. But at the same time it could be becase you aren'thaving many problems, lol
Just a quick one about Land Rover tunning:
OK.... why not buy a Prius?... They are lighter and quieter and WAY more refined.... I have a re-mapped 2.4...... Kind of like the anti2.2!! As mentioned before, I can go days, weeks, months even without going over 40mph. A load of the time I have either a car trailer or boat on the back which weigh from 1 ton to 3.5 tones. I was a little sceptical about the re-map amazment before saying 'sod it' and getting one from Gary. Since then whenever it came off (warranty work/ servicing) I realised how bad the LR tune was. Plus I am running about 200Kg of protection, bull bar with winch and spots, 285 mud terrains, roll cage, light bar and snorkel...... with the map I am pulling in an average of 28mpg- not bad on cr@p fuel and 60% off road- it dropps down to about 25ish when I am on standard LR tune. There is a Defeder out there for everyone...... 2.4/Td5 workhorses for people like me, 300tdi for the overlander who wants to keep it simple, 2.2 for the guys who want something new, more refined for general duties. Heck.... even out resident boy-racer has a Defender!!! It all comes down to what you what you want it for.... I can't see me going for a 2.2, but don't take offence from that- it is my circumstances that put me off it. Glyn   |
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30th Sep 2012 3:52pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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Almost any other car model comes in a range of engine sizes and power to suit the buyer... we just have to do it ourselves
 Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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30th Sep 2012 4:12pm |
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| BigWheels Member Since: 21 Mar 2010 Location: Somerset Posts: 1405
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Out of interest, if LR had offered a petrol alternative with an acceptable mpg, torque & bhp (so no DPF but a cat converter instead), would anyone here have bought that instead? Add an auto box? Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender
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30th Sep 2012 4:38pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816
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Glyn, this is why you don't want a Prius.... Unenvironmentally correct and uneconomical. Our Defenders have far better mpg  
You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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30th Sep 2012 4:57pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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If Land Rover added a V8 to the range again I would buy it in an instant eve if it was 20mpg- but realistically it will be 25ish. Acceptable mpg- not so important Auto box- Deffo not........ Would rather stick to manual. Glyn |
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30th Sep 2012 6:01pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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Good old Top Gear..... used to love it then got  off as they got more and more rediculously biast to certain models..... Some how JC could prove that a Ford Fiests 1.4 is faster than a Lambo..... not because it is, but because he loves Fords 
He does correct himself at the end by pointing out it isn't what you drive but how you drive it..... The new Yaris Hybrid pulls back the equivalent of 87mpg if driven properly  .
But to me Smiles per gallon is way more important than miles per gallon
Glyn |
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30th Sep 2012 6:10pm |
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| DavidITGuru Member Since: 15 Aug 2011 Location: London Posts: 99 
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I'd definitely have a V8 if they offered one. Given that I only get 23mpg now I don't think I would be any worse off on the consumption side. |
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30th Sep 2012 9:36pm |
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| NT5224 Member Since: 10 Jul 2012 Location: Robin Falls Posts: 50  
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Great thread
For anybody undecided or uncertain about buying a 2.2 Puma (as I was last year) here's my tuppence worth. I've driven V8's extensively in the Arabian desert and a Tdi off road around 'Ghanistan and I now drive my 2.2 Puma HCPU on my outback property, where the going is very tough. In terms of off-road performance (particularly carrying a heavy load) my 110 with heavy duty suspension is far superior to the older models I have driven -and in rougher terrain. The gearing alone is extraordinary! Yes, I've read the current model quieter and more refined than its predecessors (but bashing around on the tracks you wouldn't know it) but at the end of the day it still does what a Land Rover should. It hasn't lost that off road capability and is in some respects better than ever. Yes the DPF is an unknown, but so far it hasn't affected own vehicle and (as far as I have understood from the thread) nor anybody else. I can't compare the latest model with the 2.4 since I haven't driven one under similar conditions. Nor can I comment on how the new Puma goes in traffic and as I generally use a different vehicle when i go into town. And will a 2.2 CRD diesel last? Dunno, but you could ask that of any CRD. But the kind of work and driving that I do, the new Puma (so far) excels. Just Loving it! Cheers Alan |
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1st Oct 2012 7:47am |
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| rover Member Since: 26 May 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 146
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I have not noticed any difference in the panel thickness from my old 1999 td5 and my new 2.2. I did notice thet the panels did seem to get more flimsy between the 300tdi and the td5 though. The general build quality does seem better with the 2.2tdci than the old td5, better sealed, does not leak (yet). |
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1st Oct 2012 11:15am |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731
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Brilliant TG (as ever)
It's also incredibly true. When not stuck in traffic for too long, I can now get 32 mpg out of the 110 both to and from work (15 km Autobahn at 50-60 mph and 5 km city at 30-40 mph). The trick is to stay under 60 mph and keep an eye on the Scangauge
*Edit" To stay on-topic, I would probably never have a fundamental problem with a 2.2 or a DPF Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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1st Oct 2012 12:00pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4677 
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Have a look at this. It is from a new member in France
"Here in France, our f***ing socialist government has invented a new tax : 6'000 Euros for all the new defenders ! That the programmed end of Defender in France, far before the DC100." That is annual roadtax. Just be thankful you can still buy and afford to get a Defender on the road. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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1st Oct 2012 3:28pm |
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| Phil VM2.5 Member Since: 28 Mar 2012 Location: Limelette Posts: 196  
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hi,
I think the 6000 eur in france is a one time tax after 1/1/2013 Phil current : defender 110 sw 2.2 puma 2012 and 230.000km today and again my Range Rover VM2.5 engine from 1992 and 528.000km today. One ten 1988 to 1992 1987 BMW GS80 One Ten from 1984 to 1987 One Ten from 1983 to 1984 Serie 3 109 from 1980 to 1983 from 1974 Jeep CJ3B and CJ6 |
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2nd Oct 2012 8:38am |
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