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The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Rimini Red

Mine was bought from First Four. I do have an inherent distrust of some of the 4x4 part dealers but have yet to have any problem with these guys (have one of their HD bumpers). Nor have I heard anything negative online so that is a good thing. I will ring or email them on Monday to see what they have to say before I fit it. If it is a duel choice I may just go for a 581 instead and send this one back. However if it turns out that the 581 is now discontinued then obviously I will stay with the 580. Still does not answer the question why it has SS575HF stamped on it?

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7th Jul 2012 11:28am

mermoto

Member Since: 21 Sep 2011
Location: Essex
Posts: 326

The Boy wrote:
Mine was bought from First Four. I do have an inherent distrust of some of the 4x4 part dealers but have yet to have any problem with these guys (have one of their HD bumpers). Nor have I heard anything negative online so that is a good thing. I will ring or email them on Monday to see what they have to say before I fit it. If it is a duel choice I may just go for a 581 instead and send this one back. However if it turns out that the 581 is now discontinued then obviously I will stay with the 580. Still does not answer the question why it has SS575HF stamped on it?

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My Safari is exactly the same as yours.

Mermoto

7th Jul 2012 11:34am

mermoto

Member Since: 21 Sep 2011
Location: Essex
Posts: 326

Interestingly if you go here: http://safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss575hf/ss575hf.htm

Same snorkel but without the extra black plastic tube, presumably for the TD5

Mermoto

7th Jul 2012 11:36am

mermoto

Member Since: 21 Sep 2011
Location: Essex
Posts: 326

here is the LHD version ( even though the first picture here is clearly a RHD version ).

http://safarisnorkel.com/snorkel/ss575hf-lhd/ss575hf-lhd.htm

Quite good those Safari web techy's

7th Jul 2012 11:39am

The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

This is what worries me. The 581 is for the puma and boasts high volume air intake to keep up with the thirst for air on the TDCi. Have I been sold this which is a TD5 one just repackaged and puma name stuck on it to achieve a higher mark up?

7th Jul 2012 11:42am

4wheeler

Member Since: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 87

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Chawton White

I am relying on my memory a bit here but I think my recollection is correct. I had the SS581HF fitted to my 2007 Defender in 2009 just after I purchased the vehicle second hand. I remember there was confusion with the part number at the time as the SS580HF part number was listed in the Safari price list with the agent but when he rang Safari up to check the availability and order one, Safari advised that SS580HF had been replaced with the new SS581HF.
Mine is the 4 bolt version and has given no trouble. I am not aware of any problems with the SS581HF and plenty of Puma engined Defenders have them fitted here. Once again I am relying on memory but I think the change was to do with ease of fitment.

On an ARB fitting/ price list from 2010 the following was listed:
SS581HF Diesel 07 on TD4 2.4 ltr and 99 on TD5 2.5 litre (revised version replaces SS580HF).
SS575HFABS 99 to 07 Diesel Models (relocation of OE aerial required).
SS550HF 4/94 to 99 diesel models.
SS525HF County V8 3.5 litre carb models.
SS500HF to 3/94 diesel models.

I would think that some of the kit numbers refer to all the components required to fit it to a certain model while possibly the part number in the snorkel body might refer to that one component which might be common to a few kits but I could be wrong (i.e. a SS757HF body in the SS580HF kit, especially if it was transitional between models).

I might ring Safari direct tomorrow (Monday Australian time) to confirm if the 581 is the current version.

Hope this helps a little.

8th Jul 2012 1:42am

The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

4wheeler wrote:
I am relying on my memory a bit here but I think my recollection is correct. I had the SS581HF fitted to my 2007 Defender in 2009 just after I purchased the vehicle second hand. I remember there was confusion with the part number at the time as the SS580HF part number was listed in the Safari price list with the agent but when he rang Safari up to check the availability and order one, Safari advised that SS580HF had been replaced with the new SS581HF.
Mine is the 4 bolt version and has given no trouble. I am not aware of any problems with the SS581HF and plenty of Puma engined Defenders have them fitted here. Once again I am relying on memory but I think the change was to do with ease of fitment.

On an ARB fitting/ price list from 2010 the following was listed:
SS581HF Diesel 07 on TD4 2.4 ltr and 99 on TD5 2.5 litre (revised version replaces SS580HF).
SS575HFABS 99 to 07 Diesel Models (relocation of OE aerial required).
SS550HF 4/94 to 99 diesel models.
SS525HF County V8 3.5 litre carb models.
SS500HF to 3/94 diesel models.

I would think that some of the kit numbers refer to all the components required to fit it to a certain model while possibly the part number in the snorkel body might refer to that one component which might be common to a few kits but I could be wrong (i.e. a SS757HF body in the SS580HF kit, especially if it was transitional between models).

I might ring Safari direct tomorrow (Monday Australian time) to confirm if the 581 is the current version.

Hope this helps a little.

That would be incredibly helpful,

please, please post what you find out

Boy

8th Jul 2012 9:11am

mermoto

Member Since: 21 Sep 2011
Location: Essex
Posts: 326

The Boy wrote:
4wheeler wrote:
I am relying on my memory a bit here but I think my recollection is correct. I had the SS581HF fitted to my 2007 Defender in 2009 just after I purchased the vehicle second hand. I remember there was confusion with the part number at the time as the SS580HF part number was listed in the Safari price list with the agent but when he rang Safari up to check the availability and order one, Safari advised that SS580HF had been replaced with the new SS581HF.
Mine is the 4 bolt version and has given no trouble. I am not aware of any problems with the SS581HF and plenty of Puma engined Defenders have them fitted here. Once again I am relying on memory but I think the change was to do with ease of fitment.

On an ARB fitting/ price list from 2010 the following was listed:
SS581HF Diesel 07 on TD4 2.4 ltr and 99 on TD5 2.5 litre (revised version replaces SS580HF).
SS575HFABS 99 to 07 Diesel Models (relocation of OE aerial required).
SS550HF 4/94 to 99 diesel models.
SS525HF County V8 3.5 litre carb models.
SS500HF to 3/94 diesel models.

I would think that some of the kit numbers refer to all the components required to fit it to a certain model while possibly the part number in the snorkel body might refer to that one component which might be common to a few kits but I could be wrong (i.e. a SS757HF body in the SS580HF kit, especially if it was transitional between models).

I might ring Safari direct tomorrow (Monday Australian time) to confirm if the 581 is the current version.

Hope this helps a little.

That would be incredibly helpful, please, please post what you find out

Boy

Second that - would be good to know before I start playing with my drill.

Mermoto

8th Jul 2012 3:35pm

4wheeler

Member Since: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 87

I contacted Safari today and explained the problem. Unfortunately there is good news and not so good news.

The person I spoke to said that SS580HF is now the the correct current part number for the 2007 on Defender snorkel (RAI). As I had said in an earlier post that this was the original number but then it was changed to SS581HF. The lady at Safari said that she thought there were supply problems withsome of the components of the SS581HF and so they are now back to the SS580HF part number as per the web site although the blurb is wrong.

The not so good news;
The representative could not tell me if that meant that the snorkel body was the original style with hidden bolts or the style of the SS581HF with the 4 external bolts on the snorkel body to mount it to the wing. I asked about the number on the snorkel body and she indicated that this was probably the number for that sub component of the kit..

I have seen both types fitted to Puma's here in the LROC that I am a member.

Sorry I could not be of more help at this stage but I am afraid that was the extent of the knowledge of the person I spoke to.

In May 2012 apparantly only 17 Defenders were sold nationally so it is not a high volume seller like Toyota here so knowledge is lacking slightly in some areas.
U.K distributors are listed below.

UKArbil Ltd Bromley Street Lye, Stourbridge, West Midlands, UK DY9 8HZ 08456004556 http://www.arbil4x4.co.uk/

Britpart (Border Holdings U.K. Ltd.) The Grove, Graven Arms Shropshire, UK SY7 8DB + 44 1588 674 200
www.britpart.com

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9th Jul 2012 7:54am

The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

Fantastic effort!

Thank you.

I guess that I will have to stick with what I have got. I have witten to the the company who supplied it and I should imagine they will be hard pushed to get more up to date information than that. I know one of the main selling points that safari have used is that SS581HF has the highest air flow and that it was specifically designed for the Defender with the 2.4 Puma TDCi engine. The only question now to ask is does this TD5/Puma (SS580HF) one have the same high volume air flow as the old one? If it does not to me there was little point changing it.

Boy

9th Jul 2012 8:04am

4wheeler

Member Since: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 87

I will attempt a little more digging as I have the SS581HF fitted which is a four bolt. If I happen to crack the body four wheel driving I'll want to replace it. Obviously a 3 bolt body won't fit a four bold external. I might follow this up with ARB who supplied mine and see what they say.

I would have thought a TD5 sucks a fair bit of air considering it is a 2.5 litre so if the snorkel coped with that I would think it should be o.k. for the 2.4 litre. Obviously you will probably only notice a problem at full song on the motorway if the engine is starved for air if the snorkel bore is restrictive. The folk at AULRO forum might also add more light on this as I'm sure that there will be plenty who use both types on their Defenders.

9th Jul 2012 11:19am

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8580

The technical advisor at Arbil phoned me this morning in response to my email.

He comments basically agreed with 4wheeler.

SS575HF was developed for the TD5 Defender

SS580HF was developed for the TD4 Defender.

This was superceded bu the SS581HF which is external bolted one.

However due to a tooling problem the SS581HF has been discontinued and the SS580HF is the current model for the TD4.

The main body of the snorkel for the SS575 is the same as for the SS580 so ignore the actual stamp inside the snorkel body.

The retail price of the SS580 is £180-181 whereas the retail price of the SS581 I have been told should be lower.

However if anyone wants to collect a SS580HF RAI from Billing we could do a Def 2 price at £170

Brendan

9th Jul 2012 2:56pm

4wheeler

Member Since: 13 Apr 2010
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 87

Good to have a second confirmation on what I was told.

I wonder if tooling problem means smashed die.

It is interesting that the cost of these RAI's is around 70% - 90% more expensive to purchase here in Australia. It means you could almost purchase from the U.K. and freight it back to Australia and still be in front. So depressing!

In fact almost every Defender accessory can be purchased from the U.K. and shipped to Australia via express air freight cheaper than we can purchase here!

10th Jul 2012 6:30am

pannawonica

Member Since: 21 Nov 2010
Location: Clackline Western Australia
Posts: 568

[quote="4wheeler"]Good to have a second confirmation on what I was told.

I wonder if tooling problem means smashed die.

It is interesting that the cost of these RAI's is around 70% - 90% more expensive to purchase here in Australia. It means you could almost purchase from the U.K. and freight it back to Australia and still be in front. So depressing!

In fact almost every Defender accessory can be purchased from the U.K. and shipped to Australia via express air freight cheaper than we can purchase here![/quote]

So true !

10th Jul 2012 6:45am

The Boy

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: East Northants
Posts: 1459

I will be now going ahead with putting this one on but will wait for the weather to improve as the 110 cannot get in my garage and I don't want to do it at work. Might do it in stages, dry fit the snorkel on an evening and then seal it all at the weekend.

10th Jul 2012 8:58am

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