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willemdelange

Member Since: 13 Feb 2012
Location: Stellenbosch
Posts: 7

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green

First oil service on Puma

My 2011 Defender 110 SW came back from its 20000km (first) service from our local dealer. They assured me that no other oil (except engine) needs to be replaced. As we do a lot of gravel road travelling and heavy towing (horsebox), I took the job upon myself: Castrol EPX90 GL5 for the differentials and the transfer case and Castrol EP75w90 GL 4 for the gearbox. Everything went well (a small Matabi hand pump works wonders to get the oil to those hard-to-reach spaces) except for the fact that the manual states 2.4l for the factory fill for the gearbox and 2.2l for the service fill. Upon draining the 6speed gearbox, I ended up with 3l litres of oil – surely that cannot be right? (the workshop manual clearly states that the gearbox filler plug is NOT a level plug) so guess some mamparra ignored that “trivial” point – I refilled the box with the recommended 2.2l. My question now is what is the expected damage (if any) of that over-filled gearbox?

2nd May 2012 7:01am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2623

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

Re: First oil service on Puma

willemdelange wrote:
Upon draining the 6speed gearbox, I ended up with 3l litres of oil – surely that cannot be right? (the workshop manual clearly states that the gearbox filler plug is NOT a level plug) so guess some mamparra ignored that “trivial” point – I refilled the box with the recommended 2.2l. My question now is what is the expected damage (if any) of that over-filled gearbox?

Was this LR Stellenbosch? Usually they are quite good about this sort of thing.

Overfill in the gearbox should not have done anything bad, it would just have leaked when the gearbox got hot and the oil expanded, as per the technical bulletin SSM34407 - New Getrag 6 Speed MT82 Transmission - Correct Fill Level, available at: http://landrover.megacloudstorage.com/#

Quote:
Note: Should the transmission be overfilled it is possible to create a leak at the input / output shaft seals.

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2nd May 2012 9:37am

willemdelange

Member Since: 13 Feb 2012
Location: Stellenbosch
Posts: 7

Good to know - no harm done then. Yes, I service with LR Stellenbosch. Oil must have been factory fill...

2nd May 2012 10:11am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2395

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

Mine also had over 3 liters! and the second gearbox came with ATF

Puma 110" SW

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2nd May 2012 1:10pm

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2623

willemdelange wrote:
Good to know - no harm done then. Yes, I service with LR Stellenbosch. Oil must have been factory fill...

Jah, mine came from the factory with the upper tub not secured properly nor was the front axle up to standard, much less the gearbox.

Btw, if you want to do in-between engine oil changes, you can get the oil from Lube Marketing (021 511 0574), in Paarden Eiland (http://g.co/maps/sv9d3) --
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2nd May 2012 2:08pm

rossy

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Co. Roscommon
Posts: 1296

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

I changed my Gbox oil very soon after buying it new and 3 litres came out. Must be a factory issue. I don't think that would be a major surprise when you hear all the other problems that have been assembly related !

2nd May 2012 9:52pm

robharvey

Member Since: 14 Dec 2009
Location: Durban
Posts: 86

2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White

Willem

If you're doing a lot of gravel travel you should consider changing your engine oil every 10k instead of the mandated 20k. Especially if you're filling up with 500ppm diesel.

3rd May 2012 6:16am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2623

robharvey wrote:
If you're doing a lot of gravel travel you should consider changing your engine oil every 10k instead of the mandated 20k. Especially if you're filling up with 500ppm diesel.

I do 10Kkm oil changes regardless, and also after every overlanding trip. I also use 2SO with every tank

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3rd May 2012 6:18am

Merlin

Member Since: 30 Oct 2010
Location: Newmarket
Posts: 980

Daniele’s site is great. A lot to read!

What’s interesting is that on page 880 of the document “2010.06_Defender_MY07_on_Workshop_Manual_Complete.pdf” it says that the instrument cluster has an indicator on the left hand side, in the blank screen, that lights when the transfer box is in the low range. Look for item 24 “Transfer box low range indicator”.

I’ve never seen this illuminated, even when new. I wonder when this was introduced and if it is installed on anyone’s Defender.

BTW anyone know what item 7 is “High ECT indicator”, on the top panel.

Merlin

3rd May 2012 10:39am

Naks

Member Since: 27 Jan 2009
Location: Stellenbosch, ZA
Posts: 2623

Merlin wrote:
What’s interesting is that on page 880 of the document “2010.06_Defender_MY07_on_Workshop_Manual_Complete.pdf” it says that the instrument cluster has an indicator on the left hand side, in the blank screen, that lights when the transfer box is in the low range. Look for item 24 “Transfer box low range indicator”.

I’ve never seen this illuminated, even when new. I wonder when this was introduced and if it is installed on anyone’s Defender.

Never seen it illuminated either, whether in a V8, 2.8i, 300Tdi, Td5 or Puma

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3rd May 2012 10:46am

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

Merlin wrote:
BTW anyone know what item 7 is “High ECT indicator”, on the top panel.

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3rd May 2012 10:59am

Merlin

Member Since: 30 Oct 2010
Location: Newmarket
Posts: 980

Doh! Bl**ding obvious when you know. Thanks. Can’t get into Daniele’s site now, can you? I.e.: http://landrover.megacloudstorage.com/#

merlin

3rd May 2012 11:11am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2395

Naks wrote:
robharvey wrote:
If you're doing a lot of gravel travel you should consider changing your engine oil every 10k instead of the mandated 20k. Especially if you're filling up with 500ppm diesel.

I do 10Kkm oil changes regardless, and also after every overlanding trip. I also use 2SO with every tank

2SO+10000Kkm interval is not a good combination if you use 913A/913B oil. WIth 913C, maybe it would last longer. Puma 110" SW

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3rd May 2012 1:54pm

willemdelange

Member Since: 13 Feb 2012
Location: Stellenbosch
Posts: 7

Thanks for all the useful info on the oil change intervals - 20000km is quite long for the dusty southern Africa conditions. Yes, we tow a lot and yes we do at least two overland trips a year (Nam, Bots, Ang, Zam and Zim!) – my landy is new and I have changed my engine oil (not diffs and gearbox) at 10000km, I guess it would be good idea to get into the habit of changing diffs + t-case + gearbox + engine every 10000km regardless). I use 50ppm diesel with a dose (200ml) of 2SO (JASO FB) every second/third tank of diesel (I do not bother with 2SO if I fill up with 500ppm in Nam, Bots, Zim and Zam)

4th May 2012 6:44am

robharvey

Member Since: 14 Dec 2009
Location: Durban
Posts: 86

Willem, each to their own, but I think every 10k for the diffs etc is overdoing it. LR recommend 80k for diffs and t box, and 160k for g box. I've decided to cut that in half, as well as replacing air filters and fuel filters every 20k. I don't do a lot of towing though.

4th May 2012 9:02am

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