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Puma_MOG

Member Since: 08 Sep 2017
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 184

2014 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

Puma 2.2: Very stiff clutch normal?

Good evening All,

I've finally acquired my Defender which is a 65 reg and only 12k miles. It's never towed and looking at its condition it's clearly been cherished.

I know the clutch pedal feel on these are not eco box light but are they normally really stiff? I have searched the topic and read a lot about boosters etc but nothing specifically about what should be normal. I found one comment stating that the 2.2 already has a lighter spring and if the clutch is stiff that it is a sign that it's likely very worn. Is this true?

I drove a similar mileage 90 last month and its pedal was feather light but the seller stating it was all stock and it only goes stiff with age and/or when it's really worn.

In short, should I be worried that my clutch is likely needing replacing?

Thank you,

P

19th May 2024 9:57pm

DAZ110

Member Since: 06 Dec 2007
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 2039

2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Barolo Black

Mine was squeaky and fairly stiff. I did the following and it certainly helped:

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic22839...+pedal+box

Also I took the cover off that’s under the bonnet and sprayed some light lubricant in there.

20th May 2024 8:06am

Rosco

Member Since: 03 Dec 2010
Location: Burntwood
Posts: 1833

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Spend the £25 and fit the LOF clutch pedal spring. I did this last week after years of accepting it as the norm and the difference is incredible.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic66507...tch+spring

Still need to fix my squeak though

2007 - Stornoway Grey 90 XS SW - Gone
2002 - Black Discovery II - Gone
2014 - Montalcino Red 110 XS SW

20th May 2024 8:59am

Puma_MOG

Member Since: 08 Sep 2017
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 184

Thank you all for the feedback.

I read both links in detail again, after having read them last night. I'll have a look tonight after work.

So it's normal then it to be this stiff? It's a 65 reg with 12,000 miles and not having a tow bar, clearly hasn't towed, hence being worried that something isn't right.

I checked the fluid and while it's not 100% clear, it looks decent enough but perhaps best to get that flushed early.

20th May 2024 11:27am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2420

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

I guess the best would be to compare again with another 2.2.
And yes, the clutch pedal on a Defender is quite stiff. Puma 110" SW

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20th May 2024 11:55am

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20440

It should only be stiff when new for the first few hundred miles.

Lube the pivot on the pedal box and go from there, also check the clutch fluid.
If the master cylinder is over ten years old I’d consider changing it.
Especially if it has black fluid, which is the seals that are breaking down.

I know I left a dealer once with a new clutch it was so heavy I thought it was not working as it should, but then it settled to normal.
I wouldn’t imagine it’s air in the fluid as that’s more compressible.

Edited* If the fluid is looking decent then that’s not so likely.

I’d lube the pedal pivot and go from there, the slave if that leaked would make the pedal more soft I’d have thought.
It might be that a new master is needed, it could be an issue there with the seals $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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20th May 2024 12:53pm

Puma_MOG

Member Since: 08 Sep 2017
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 184

Thank you custom90

I'll have a go at what you described and will use the info on this forum to fill in any blanks in my limited knowledge

My guess is that perhaps something has seized up what with the low miles and limited daily use it's had in it's past life. Now feeling a bit less worried in assuming I have a new clutch bill to pay for.

20th May 2024 1:16pm

Puma_MOG

Member Since: 08 Sep 2017
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 184

I've opened up the box and all is quite dry in there. I've read some posts about adding a nipple and giving it some grease but it wasn't clear if this applies to the Puma. The side of my box has a larger rubber bit coming out of it. More interesting is that the screws holding the lid show signs that it's been taken off before.

Do I spray/lube anything here?

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20th May 2024 3:03pm

DAZ110

Member Since: 06 Dec 2007
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 2039

Would a thought a bit of silicone grease sprayed in there wouldn’t hurt.

20th May 2024 4:07pm

Shafski

Member Since: 19 Jun 2023
Location: Chilterns
Posts: 110

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Montalcino Red

I added the nipple to my Puma, RHS based on your photo.

Likewise I just added grease once the cover was off… belt and braces!

Spring also done.. clutch has changed from being heavier than a photocopier (34k miles), to a dream..

Night and day difference (and squeak free!) Shafski
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2015 110 Montalcino Red Utility "Harriet" along with Puma on I.C.E

20th May 2024 5:06pm

Puma_MOG

Member Since: 08 Sep 2017
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 184

Out of curiosity, where is the grease going? There isn't much in there the box, on mine at least, doesn't have a a bottom so I would assume it's going to just drop onto the engine.

20th May 2024 5:41pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17441

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

No, it drops onto your left foot.

20th May 2024 5:59pm

Puma_MOG

Member Since: 08 Sep 2017
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 184

Puma_MOG wrote:
Out of curiosity, where is the grease going? There isn't much in there the box, on mine at least, doesn't have a a bottom so I would assume it's going to just drop onto the engine.

I was wondering what that was!

20th May 2024 7:11pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20440

blackwolf wrote:
No, it drops onto your left foot.

Oh yes, that is not good. If there is a nipple fitted just one pump works.
But you can lube it from inside with the cover off as Daz mentioned, the pivot can get stiff if dry, there definitely is some lube that can go on there.
Silicone, or k48 or something like that or lithium would be fine, won’t hurt anyway.

I’d imagine it’s one of those things that gets a little seized if stood for a while, loosens up with movement like us. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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20th May 2024 8:47pm

Puma_MOG

Member Since: 08 Sep 2017
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 184

Thank you again custom90

20th May 2024 9:04pm

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