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blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17354

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

I have never hear of a weld failure on the offside of the axle, as far as I know all reported failures have been the nearside.

This tends to support the hypothesis that the problem was with the manner in which the NS weld was implemented, or possibly the weld positioning, rather than any fundamental flaw with the concept.

As you observe, one would not really expect the bolts to be the weak point.

30th Oct 2023 8:45pm

PWD

Member Since: 30 Oct 2023
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 5

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Blenheim Silver

Axle Failure

So can I ask forum members if there is anywhere I can find a record of how many of these vehicles have been recalled, how many axle failures there have been and how many accidents have resulted from those failures? I'm sure this is the information that the solicitor will be asking for. TIA, PWD

2nd Nov 2023 11:16am

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 1992

If you look at page 14 of this topic this may help with the number of vehicles that fall within the vin recal range.

Will@LRW wrote:
Based on the EU recall's production dates, and assuming it affects all variants, the VIN ranges would be these:

BA820528 - BA826097
BA400000 - BA412050
CA412051 - CA427758
DA427759 - DA440736

About 45,000 vehicles built, with at least 70% in Europe as a whole and approx 16,000 for the UK.

It's sad that it's come to this

2nd Nov 2023 11:23am

PWD

Member Since: 30 Oct 2023
Location: Gloucestershire
Posts: 5

Thanks IANH.

2nd Nov 2023 11:24am

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 1992

Have you read this topic , especially ALL posts by Payney1000 , he has been pursuing the Legal route https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic55655...p;start=60

If you read from page 5 on you will see the significant progress he has made.

It may be worth reaching out to him via a PM. Noting in one post I think he mentioned two suspected deaths due to this in the EU.

Also If you look at page one of the same topic you will see that member noworries4x4 had the axle case split at the weld, inc pics.

2nd Nov 2023 11:36am

Very Rural

Member Since: 04 Jul 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 58

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 CSW Aintree Green

Ianh wrote:
If they have provided a document saying the safety recall work has been done, when plainly it has not, it could have some serious implications if you choose to report them to the health and safety executive or DVLA.

I would take dated pics showing the brackets have not, and never have been fitted as evidence as they could say they fitted them and you have removed them. Then raise it immediately with the person in charge of the servicing department both verbally and then via E-mail, including the overall manager of the dealership in that e-mail.

I've done all this, & so far apart from admitting that they only cleaned the vehicle, & not fitted the brackets, have not got back to me despite further emails & phone call.

9th Nov 2023 3:50pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3410

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black

Fyi, my recall was showing up on https://osh.landrover.com/
5 days after installing the brackets, there was no more recall information on that site. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

9th Nov 2023 4:42pm

Very Rural

Member Since: 04 Jul 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 58

Well, for obvious reasons, mine is still showing as not having been done. Apparently their part-time technician didn't/couldn't fit them. I'm sure my youngest grandson could do it as he's already repaired tractors!

I've a feeling that this is going round in ever-decreasing circles at my end!
I will give it until next week then take some serious action.

9th Nov 2023 4:49pm

Very Rural

Member Since: 04 Jul 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 58

Well at last I have a reply from my local main dealer....

It's not good, in fact it's the last straw for me.
Apparently, the brackets cannot be fitted due to the fact that the vehicle has a replacement, non-standard chassis. Also it has been Poly-bushed. Neither Land Rover or the dealership have any further responsibility in regard to the N706 recall.

Thus they decline to do any work on the vehicle.
Where this leaves me is in an impossible position: The recall still shows outstanding at JLR & DVSA.
In the event of an accident the insurers would use this as a complete get-out. I cannot remove the recall from either of the databases, even if there is a work-around.

The only reason the 110 has a newly fitted Marsland chassis is because the original LR 'kit-Kat wrapper' chassis rotted through at 30,000 miles.
So, here I am , an OAP living totally 'out-in-the sticks', totally reliant on this vehicle (& trailer), as this is the only way that anything larger than a weekly shopping load can be got here!

All sensible & reasonably priced solutions welcome. For now the vehicle is grounded.
Surely I cannot be the only person on this forum with an N706 recall and a vehicle with a replacement chassis?

15th Nov 2023 5:22pm

Race.it

Member Since: 27 Aug 2019
Location: Algeciras
Posts: 815

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alaska White

Will they not provide the brackets and you fit them? Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.

5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details

15th Nov 2023 6:30pm

Very Rural

Member Since: 04 Jul 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 58

I've not asked that question, however, if I did, & in the unlikely event of them agreeing, - the one thing I can't do is clear the outstanding recall notices at JLR & DVSA.

However, I will give the dealer a chance to supply the brackets...
Watch this space.

15th Nov 2023 6:40pm

ickle

Member Since: 22 Jul 2010
Location: South Vendee
Posts: 1777

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Alpine White

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised by JLRs attitude, another vehicle crossed off their list at no cost to themselves.

I suspect you've been washing it with a non dealer supplied shampoo as well.

I wonder if you were actively looking for a new JLR product would they have treated you the same....Probably!

Having to put a new chassis on a 12 plate is shameful.

15th Nov 2023 7:35pm

diesel_jim

Member Since: 13 Oct 2008
Location: hiding
Posts: 6092

Why should a chassis change affect a bolted on axle?

Polybushes? maybe.... why not try and borrow a couple of front radius arms fitted with standard rubber bushes, fit them then take the vehicle back?

15th Nov 2023 7:44pm

Ianh

Member Since: 17 Sep 2018
Location: Essex
Posts: 1992

I was about to say the same thing, nothing to do with the chassis.

Also I really can’t see what difference having polybushes fitted makes as all they have to do on each side is remove two nuts, slide a bracket on, then refit and torque up the nuts. They don’t have to touch the bushes.

If they were rubber bushes, would they check they were LR or aftermarket ones , and if aftermarket refuse to do the work !

As long as the aftermarket parts are certified to be used on your vehicle they are ok, LR are not allowed to force you to buy parts from just them.

From a legal standpoint I don’t think they can refuse to do the work on the grounds they have stated.

Perhaps contacting another dealer and getting them to do it would be the solution.

15th Nov 2023 8:10pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17354

None of those mods can affect the serviceability of the axle case weld, and it is preposterous to suggest that they do. I would certainly have a substantial argument with Land-Rover about this.

I suspect that the dealer has had a brush-off from JLR or is following an inane "policy", but I wouldn't stand for it myself. I'd be making a thorough nuisance of myself by now!

15th Nov 2023 8:12pm

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