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| Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6604   
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I've plugged in into Topix for you, and there's no recall campaigns showing up for it.  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
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27th Oct 2023 3:03pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8010  
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Two of mine booked in a month or so ago for Monday/ Phone call 1737 today, fri night, sorry so no parts in will call you when they are in.......................................... Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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27th Oct 2023 6:05pm |
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| mwestcrew Member Since: 09 Dec 2019 Location: South Warwickshire Posts: 247 
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Thanks Martin. That’s a great help. 2011 130 Utility Body 2005 110 Van |
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28th Oct 2023 7:34am |
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| PWD Member Since: 30 Oct 2023 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 5 
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In 2018 I suffered an axle failure on my Defender X Tech. The NSF wheel came adrift due to the axle weld failure and I was left with no steering and no brakes. The 90 shot across the road and ploughed into a 6' high dry stone wall bending the chassis rails and writing the vehicle off. Luckily it was 6 AM on a very wet monday morning and nobody else was involved. The day before I had been towing my little 2 tonne excavator down a steep and winding road surrounded by primary school children on the pavement. If the failure had occured then I would have shot down a very steep incline, ironically through a graveyard, with my little Kubota on top of me, quite possibly taking a few youngsters with me. Only now do I understand it was a serial issue with a batch of axle casings ( I believe outsourced to India) which affected a much wider range of vehicles than JLR were prepared to acknowledge. I questioned my local LR agent (Stratstone) and was told in no uncertain terms that there was nothing they could do.
My insurance company (The NFU mutual) were brilliant and within about 10 days I was back on the road in an almost identical X Tech. Their claims engineer agreed that the accident had been caused by the axle failure. I stripped as many of the premium parts as I could from the old 90 and said my goodbye’s. I was fond of that motor as it was the TD5. Great for towing with bags of grunt. About 2 weeks ago I received a recall for my 2012 X Tech and here I am. I’ve read a few forums and discovered that the recall parameters have been widened considerably and seen some other fairly unsettling stories about these axle failures and the way JLR have even allegedly offered people new vehicles to stay schtum. I’ve been in touch with a well known solicitor who is currently compiling another case against JLR and he is very interested to hear of all the instances of axle failure or related incidents as well as the responses people have received from JLR about the problem. As I see it we are being misled about a safety critical component that is not fit for purpose. Can anyone tell me if there have been any efforts to put together a group claim against JLR relating to the axle failures and would anybody be interested in assisting with information about axle failures and the related accidents? |
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30th Oct 2023 6:18pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410  
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Firstly good to hear that no one was injured in your case. However, you mention that it was a Td5... Td5s were made up to 2006, and the axle weld defect only happened when JLR changed their axle case production process from friction weld to mig weld circa end 2010. So if your axle was original to the vehicle, it must had been an axle with friction welded swivel flanges. Did you perhaps still have pictures of the failed axle that you can share online? 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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30th Oct 2023 6:36pm |
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| PWD Member Since: 30 Oct 2023 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 5
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My mistake. It was not a TD5 but a 2.4L 90 H Top X Tech LE TD.
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30th Oct 2023 6:39pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410
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Holy
But looking at the 2nd picture, it looks like the swivel housing bolts have failed, not the axle. You can see both the axle flange still attached to the axle, and part of the swivel flange can be seen in below pic. I have never seen this failure before. Click image to enlarge 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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30th Oct 2023 6:53pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 1990
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I think his nearside weld broke and what you are seeing is the offside damage due to hitting the wall[/i]
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30th Oct 2023 7:01pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17353 
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No, this is an Internet myth, LR has never outsourced axle production to India. The problem was introduced when a switch from friction-welding to MIG-welding took place within the UK, apparently due to the friction-welding machine being life-expired. I am not aware that there has ever been a concerted effort to initiate any kind of group action since failures are relatively rare. More surprising perhaps is that no-one affected by this shambles brought it to the wider public attention either through social media or through national mainstream media. It is extraordinary how few people know about it. Imagine if it happened to a celebrity, or, perish the though, resulted in multiple child fatalities. |
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30th Oct 2023 7:03pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410
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That would make more sense Ianh. I did not think of that, and indeed is far more common for the nearside weld to fail for an unknown reason. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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30th Oct 2023 7:04pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4646 
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My 2011 had the magic brackets fitted some years ago. Recently I contacted our road safety crowd and the department of transport regarding this issue. I sent copies of the recall letters from here plus a full account of the fault and to why the magic brackets were fitted.
The dept of transport (I actually sent it to the minister in charge) in a reply from the said minister informed me that it had nothing to do with his department and that it was the Road Safety crowd who had jurisdiction. I thought I was getting some traction from the Road Safety Authority as I had emails asking for info etc. Now they did contact Land Rover Ireland on my behalf. The outcome? Well they told me that Land Rover Ireland informed them that there were no outstanding recalls regarding my vehicle. This annoyed me as they failed to grasp the underlying issue namely the substandard axle wells and the potential danger there of. I cannot understand how the authorities fail to see the importance of this issue or do they not want to grasp the nettle? PAYNEY1000 has had some success after his long drawn out battle in France but Land Rover seem to be ignoring the outcome of the ruling by the EU that the axles have to be replaced. I think this sudden surge in fitting brackets is to do with the time limit to act on this has run out. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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30th Oct 2023 7:33pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17353
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The OS swivel has fractured in the impact with the wall, the NS weld failed initiating the impact. Incidentally if you follow the videos of "grizzlynbear" on YouTube you will recall that their 130 suffered a similar swivel fracture without the help of a drystone wall (although I have a recollection that it was not an original swivel). [This post was delayed in editing by about 30 mins by a phone call so apologies if it is now old news] |
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30th Oct 2023 7:34pm |
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| PWD Member Since: 30 Oct 2023 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 5
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Yes, youre correct Ianh, it was the NSF weld that failed resulting in hitting the wall which damaged the OSF. |
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30th Oct 2023 7:35pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3410
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So strange that such an impact sheared the swivel housing bolts, and did not cause the offside weld to fail. Whereas the nearside weld apparently can even fail under own vehicle weight while parked in a driveway!!
Given that the diff is biased to the right, any fatigue from bumps etc should cause the offside weld to fail earlier!!! But is not the case. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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30th Oct 2023 7:49pm |
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