Stornaway90 wrote:

Transits seem to bomb about no bother without the need for OIL OF OLAY, just use a decent grade diesel like BP Ultimate for improved performance and less noise.
What will it be next, a Full FACIAL, BOTOX, THE DUKAN DIET and a SHAMPOO of COCONUT OIL and SEAWEED!

Decent diesel is surprisingly hard to find around here (quite far south of Munich) - most of it seems to have "up to 10% biodiesel. Needless to say, the result isn't that good  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...

dgardel wrote:

When was a Diesel Engine developer, I did a lot of reasearch on 2 stroke oil in diesel fuel.

The most important points that you must understand is:

It burns more completely than diesel =
1. reduces engine smoke to virtually nothing
2. cleans the combustion chamber
3. it lubricate the injectors (especially now with LOW Sloppier Diesel),
4. cleans egr valves see point 1.
5. engine is much quieter when cold (see point one)
6. much better throttle response .


just 300-400 mL of 2 stroke oil in a full tank really does give you wings.

Thanks Dgardel,

Very informative and I agree with your results. The main reasons I add 2so is for the injectors as you suggested and also the fuel pump. Modern diesel is I believe does not have great lubricious. Ask people who have run diesels on Jp5 or 8 and they don't last too long. I will continue to add 2so. 

ZeDefender wrote:

Decent diesel is surprisingly hard to find around here (quite far south of Munich) - most of it seems to have "up to 10% biodiesel. Needless to say, the result isn't that good

I notice that Shell are marketing this Saver fuel as being cheaper and better ( ) so I suspect the percentages are moving up over here as well. I try to get the V-Power type diesel when I can, although not having a clue as to what is different about the make-up makes me have doubts.

dgardel wrote:

When was a Diesel Engine developer, I did a lot of reasearch on 2 stroke oil in diesel fuel.

The most important points that you must understand is:

It burns more completely than diesel =
1. reduces engine smoke to virtually nothing
2. cleans the combustion chamber
3. it lubricate the injectors (especially now with LOW Sloppier Diesel),
4. cleans egr valves see point 1.
5. engine is much quieter when cold (see point one)
6. much better throttle response .


just 300-400 mL of 2 stroke oil in a full tank really does give you wings.

So it's approx 100 ml per 20L of fuel?

As she's got a disco it'll take 85 L or £130 so i won't be topping that for her today

TheTechnobear wrote:

This discussion has made me relook at 'premium' diesels eg. BP ultimate, Repsol e + 10.
I usually use, normal (not saver) fuel, as I've (incorrectly) thought the premiums were aimed at performance, not so relevant for a 110

But now revisiting this, I notice these diesels claim much the same benefits as this thread claims for 2SO eg. cleaning, economy, lubrication.
A quick search on the inet, sees many people saying these fuels do reduce smoke, rattle etc etc...

are people here using premium diesels? and/or 2SO?

(I think it's relevant to this thread, but don't wanna hijack)

TheTechnobear wrote:

are people here using premium diesels?

I try to when I can find it available. After previously running a 100 ltr tank in a 4.6 V8 Range Rover, a £100+ diesel fill is not a problem.

spudfan wrote:

Anyone tried the Halfords 2 stroke oil. It is mineral based, FB spec but made for garden machinery not motorbikes. Just wondered if it would be suitable to put in with the diesel.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...55223#dtab
They also do their own motor bike oil 2 stroke
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...yId_165507
They have no Actevo at the moment. Just looking for a temporary substitute.

As there are other posts on this subject here:

http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic1708.html

And being a lazy sod here are some personal opinions on 2SO use.

Lorryman100 wrote:

You should only use mineral oil, as semi and synthetic don't burn up completely leaving ash deposits in the cat. I use Motul 100 MOTO MIX 2T Lubricant for 2 Stroke engines from site sponsor Opie oils. It is a mineral oil with rating JASO FB. JASO FC is a low ash oil which I have in the garage for my 2 stroke outboard engines, but wont risk using it in my landy as it is semi-synthetic. Basically any mineral 2 stroke oil with JASCO FB rating will do.

Lorryman100 wrote:

chiefstoker wrote:

Only thing is, I'm still baffled as to whether to use El Cheapo 2T mineral based oil (FB), or semi-synth. (FC)

The thread on 2 stroke use has been removed from the freel2.com site so that Martin can tidy it up. But when it was available the man in the know recommends using FB or FC preferably the cheapest available. I use FB because it is the cheapest and its wholly mineral oil. Problems start to arise when using synthetic oils due to the cat being clogged up by ash not being burnt up completely in the combustion chamber. If you don't have a cat then I would say to use what you want as you don't have anything to clogg up. As to how much too put in the tank? Some say 300ml, others say 200ml. I go for 50 litres of diesel gets 200ml-300ml or if the container is nearly empty, whatever is left in it goes in the tank. Mineral 2 stroke is oil, as is diesel fuel so the two mix together nicely and if you think you've put too much in, put less in next time.

Lorryman100 wrote:

It seems we have forgotten the reason for using 2Stroke oil in the first place, which is to lubricate the injector pump and injectors due to the reduction in sulphur (Low sulphur diesel) which did the lubrication in the first place. So as to what oil to put in the tank surely it should be the cheapest lowest spec JASO-FB which is basically being added to prolong the life of the fuel system by adding some lubrication. Semi and fully synthetic oils contain castor oil and other chemicals to help keep the spark plugs and exhaust vents carbon free on petrol engines, to help lubrication of high revving petrol engines, none of which pertains to a diesel engine. I now put a tank of Shell v power/ BP Ultimate every 4 tank fulls as this contains cleaning agents pertaining to a diesel engine, and use JASO-FB in the other 3 tank fulls. Again all of this is my sole opinion and wouldn't wish to impose my views on what you should use in your Landy, and if you go to Opie oils website you get good deals on FB and FC 2T oils as anyone registered on this forum gets the members discount. If I remember correctly the last order of 4L Motul 100 JASO FB cost £23 delivered to my home I could probably get a cheaper oil elsewhere but I'm a lazy sod and delivered to the door suits me.