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blackwolf



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Chicken Drumstick wrote:
Bluest wrote:
It is only for commercials and is only a temporary derogation for now, although they are consulting on making it permanent and removing the need for 5 hours training.

Knew there was another point, stumbled across it yesterday while looking for something else. It isn't commercial, it is for the transport of goods. I assume running empty having dropped or on your way to collect is permissible. But not general running about or a vehicle that isn't for transporting goods. Which probably rules out a general purpose pickup.


The wording is actually included in the link Bluest posted above the link Bluest posted above even though this isn't the source legislation, it is for "commercial carriage of goods". Legally the term "goods" does not imply any kind of commercial operation (merely being personal chattels and other objects which can be detached from land, i.e., movable), so the significant word is "commercial" which means in connection with a trade or business.

So the derogation would apply to anyone with a Cat B licence driving an "alternatively fuelled" vehicle in connection with the carriage of one or more non-human object which is being transported in connection with someone's - not necessarily the driver's - business.

A goods vehicle, which is extremely adequately defined in The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 (as amended), is merely a vehicle which is primarily designed to carry objects not people.

Bear in mind also that HMRC use its own definitions for things like "goods vehicle" and these definitions have no basis in general law and are, or may be, entirely different to those use in road traffic legislation.
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Bluest



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I dint know why anyone was worried about the Grenadier filling the shoes of the old Defender. Seems they are making the news for used for hunting big game already!



Click image to enlarge 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Jeebs



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I fell in love today at the Royal Lancs Show ๐Ÿ˜
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Mr Fox



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That slab of a front bumper is so reminiscent of the Euro bumper Chrysler slap on the Wrangler.
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Jeebs



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I feel like the front is the biggest letdown, interior is very nice, premium but at the same time utilitarian.

You can see the BMW influence, which in my opinion is a good thing.
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spudfan



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It would take a while remembering just how much it does protrude. Imagine the headlines if you gently accidentally rear ended the car in front at traffic lights.
"Grenadier rear ends woman and ruins her day " Whistle 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
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2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
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LR Nuts



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Mr Fox wrote:
That slab of a front bumper is so reminiscent of the Euro bumper Chrysler slap on the Wrangler.



that slab front bumper, is supposed to be for sitting on, FACT !
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Chicken Drumstick



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Does a Puma bumper not stick out a similar amount with the plastic cladding and end caps? The only real difference is there is an air cap on the Puma's between the bumper and wing. I bet the dimensions aren't hugely different though.
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Jeebs



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I think itโ€™s probably 1/2 again if not double the width of the puma bumpers. That and the front grille design is what spoils it, the rest is spot on.
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Mr Fox



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LR Nuts wrote:
Mr Fox wrote:
That slab of a front bumper is so reminiscent of the Euro bumper Chrysler slap on the Wrangler.


that slab front bumper, is supposed to be for sitting on, FACT !


So is the Wranglers but that is a just marketing speak for we needed it to pass crash test regulations.
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lightning



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Mr Fox wrote:
That slab of a front bumper is so reminiscent of the Euro bumper Chrysler slap on the Wrangler.


l agree.
l am sure that a smaller aftermarket replacement front bumper will soon be available, as it is with the Wrangler.
Also, fitting an A-bar improves the looks of it.
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blackwolf



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I'm pretty sure that the bumper has to be like that in order for the vehicle to gain type approval (it will be an attempt to throw "just stop oil" protesters and other pedestrians onto the bonnet rather than under the vehicle) so replacing it with something else could cause all manner of issues. It won't stop people from do it though.
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spudfan



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Yes I presume there is a reason for it. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
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whiterdesign



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For the UK market at least the front bumper has to be plastic to meet crash regulations, it some other markets its steel like the rear bumper. 110 XS 250 MY 23 Gondwana Stone, Cold climate pack and towbar
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Jeebs



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Indeed, the ZA spec would appear to have a slimmer bumper design from what I can see on the pictures
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