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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610   
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 But important......
Agree wholeheartedly........Money/revenue can be a deciding factor too! If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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11th Mar 2015 3:54pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110  
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I think you have missed my point or that I explained it poorly, I am not in any way advocating the actions of the man, I was simply stating that a lot of people who if you read the comments posted on change org are not condoning Clarkson’s violent action, if indeed he carried out such an attack, nor are they asking point blank for the BBC to reinstate the man by ignoring his recent act but are supporting not being controlled by what is now termed political correctness.
I do belong to the teaching profession I am a university lecturer so I am very aware of the disciplinary procedures regarding misconduct in that vocation
I was not aware of any other thread relating to the suspension of Clarkson, but I believe it is up to the person who owns and moderates the forum to decide what is good and bad taste in posts, after all there is a set of rules laid down how to conduct posts on this forum, you either deicide to follow them or not and if you do not then if your posts are removed that is not curtailing of speech it is simply falling foul of agreed conditions.
Our UK law decrees that free speech no matter how vulgar, profane or distasteful a particular form of expression may be, a person has the right to advance it (and others have the right to express their reaction to it) this is a law right in Britain, in Britain these rights can be found as early as 1215 in the Magna Carter, it also has a statutory basis in Article 10 of the European Convention which has been incorporated into UK since 1998. What you should be asking is what has happened to this since it was implemented, what started as an amendment to do with national security has escalated to restrictions that are punishable by incarceration for using a word or expression that has nothing to do with our security and hence why the phrase politically correct was coined. I am not referring to recent amendments to do with religious race or hate crime
I think that goes without saying but then we go into the realm of Human rights and we know what a minefield that is. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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11th Mar 2015 4:29pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110
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Brendan I totally agree with you, the actions of the BBC are entirely to do with the contractual conditions of employment and nothing else. And as a large organisation employing many thousands of people they have no other recourse than to follow procedures set out under the Employment Act 2008/2009.
However all I am trying to say is that many of the 459,283 persons who have signed this petition to date are making comments that directly relate to speech and not directly to Clarkson’s alleged fracas, not alarmist speech but giving expressions of support of it. I am not disputing anything you are saying, I am just pointing out that it seems to me that many are now using Clarkson’s recent action to underline a different thing altogether, and are not totally behind the man or his behaviour, although it has to be said some rightly or wrongly are. I am also patently aware that it has become somewhat of a mission to sign this petition because of the popularity it is now enjoying on social media sites rather than a genuine need to reinstate the man. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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11th Mar 2015 5:18pm |
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| need4speed Member Since: 23 Nov 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 746 |
This thread is making me laugh. It really is.
Its been said that Clarkson wasnt suspended for things that he said, but that it was for ALLEGEDLY punching a colleague. The thing is though, the BBC said he was on his last warning. Last warning for what? Offending people? I said it before, and I'll say it again. Its the essence of whats wrong with this country today. Far too many do-gooders just looking for something to offend them. And it appears as though theres a few on this very forum sadly..... |
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11th Mar 2015 6:19pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I'm not understanding your post - what problem do you have with other's on here reference comments made regarding the JC incident?
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11th Mar 2015 6:52pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5110
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Yes but that is their privilege to be offended or to disagree and rightly so, and if you think about it if everyone agreed with everything it would be one hell of a boring world.
Some say those people are idiots some say they are instead vessels of the truth, while others say Jeremy Clarkson for prime minister  And on that bombshell I will say goodnight. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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11th Mar 2015 6:57pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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So to be clear you have signed a petition to re-instate a man suspended for workplace violence but you really meant to sign a petition that doesn't exisit yet about freedom of speech and polictical correctness gone too far 
That's sounds like the girlfriend sending me to the shops for a box of eggs and I come back with a new Defender - all rather random
As a lecturer I hope you teach your students to answer the question on the test in front of them and not one they would prefer to answer... |
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11th Mar 2015 7:09pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610
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My point exactly...... 
I cannot for the life of me see ANY reason to sign it apart from the reinstatement of JC....as that is it's sole reason for being. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!! Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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11th Mar 2015 7:17pm |
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| need4speed Member Since: 23 Nov 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 746 |
That hasnt been proven though, has it? And anyway maybe he deserved a slap  I worked on the railway for a long time and if i had a tenner for every time i saw a square-off, id be a very rich man indeed. A lot of folk need to man-up these days. There must be a lot of estrogen in the water. Guys seem to be getting more effeminate as the years go by lol |
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11th Mar 2015 7:29pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2658 
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Has the other bloke been suspended??
If not why not? If there was a fracas surely they should both be suspended for the duration of the investigation. We don't know the full facts and I very much doubt that we will. But the other bloke must of said something out of order for Clarkson to lamp him one. I know he has form for hitting but to be fair hitting Piers Morgan should be a national pastime for anyone who is within hitting range. 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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11th Mar 2015 7:30pm |
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| need4speed Member Since: 23 Nov 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 746 |
Quite agree walfy
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11th Mar 2015 7:32pm |
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| NickH Member Since: 01 Nov 2014 Location: Halifax Posts: 204  
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So Clarkson may have punched a bloke at work ...so what ?
He has been suspended as would happen to anyone who assaulted a work colleague and there is an investigation. Why are so many people saying sack him or take him off tv because they find him offensive, dont watch him then. He only says out loud what half the population are thinking. I dont like liberal leftie do gooder politicians spouting crap at me, I find them offensive..particularly to my intelligence.... so can they be silenced in the media please, just like used to be done to Gerry Adams whenever he appeared on tv (not that I like him either).  2003 Td5 90
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11th Mar 2015 8:20pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8581
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No the other BBC employee has not been suspended. Presumably the BBC has good reasons for their decisions and they probably have a written down discipline code. The chances are that the BBC legal team has been over all the 'facts' known to them with a fine toothcomb. Now a lot has been said about freedom of speech etc. Presumably the other BBC employee has the right to 'freedom of speech' within limits. Apparently the 'fracas' was about the food or lack of it. Even if what the other BBC employee said about the food 'was out of order' what right has Clarkson to 'lamp' anyone? Or is it a case of a 'powerful' BBC employee who considers them to be a 'celebrity' to lamp or allegedly assaulting a fellow employee? I thought our society had progressed from the days when senior employees could bully junior employees at places of work. Brendan |
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11th Mar 2015 8:44pm |
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| need4speed Member Since: 23 Nov 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 746 |
In all honesty brendan thats pure speculation. Even IF the "fracas" was about the catering, or lack of, thats not to say its what the producer was spouting off about. He maybe said something totally out of order. The only fact of the matter is we dont know what exactly transpired.
Oh and another thing. Not all fights end up in suspensions. Like i previously said ive witnessed lots of fights. None of which ended in suspensions/sackings. Mainly because the guys involved were man enough to get on with it and not grass to supervisors like little schoolgirls... Ooooh please sir, he hit me... Ffs |
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11th Mar 2015 8:59pm |
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