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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5855   
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Evening all.
Started the replacement of my trailing arm bushes, but cannot for the life of me get the sausage roll bushes (as opposed to the toblerone shaped big bush) out of the trailing arm. They look perished and I’d suggested they’ve not been changed since new (2011/110k). So I’m thinking new arms, but am wondering what thoughts on what type? Standard OEM? Britpart? Gwynn Lewis HD? Terrafirma Cranked? Other? I’m driving a stock 110 DCPU with HD springs which will NEVER be lifted, but ‘may’ be lowered with SW springs, or even an Alive -1” drop. Any thoughts? Need to act fast either I need to order here in France, or in the UK and get it shipped. Even with the freight it’ll likely be cheaper, (single Britpart arm is 160€), but it’s the delay I need to avoid as clearly she’s currently off road. Worst case I could put the current arms back on whilst I wait, but I’d rather get it done in one go. Ta  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey Last edited by Grenadier on 7th Jan 2025 6:18pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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6th Jan 2025 4:17pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20480 
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Standard are pretty good to be honest. No Guts, No Glory.
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6th Jan 2025 5:01pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5741 
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Just rebush what you’ve got.
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6th Jan 2025 5:12pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5855
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Thanks both. Going to pop down to the local garage tomorrow, see what they can do. I did try setting up a 3t jack press like the A-Team or MacGyver, but it refused to budge. The bars themselves look robust enough, so I’d prefer not to waste them. Will keep you all posted, no doubt this is fascinating. Might do a podcast. Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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6th Jan 2025 5:13pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 760
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No point in cranked arms unless you are running a specific suspension setup.
Stock arms are ok, but can bend, although yours should have the stronger tube arms rather than the thinner solid arms on earlier models. If you off road or want extreme flex, stronger arms might be worth it. The X-eng arms are also a nice setup.Otherwise just reuse your stock ones as others have said. |
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6th Jan 2025 5:22pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17473 
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Aha, you need one of these: https://sykes-pickavant.com/products/18775...nly-option
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6th Jan 2025 6:09pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5741
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I just cut mine out with hacksaw, lube, a chisel, and time.
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6th Jan 2025 7:44pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1229  
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Get a press. I usually press my new ones in at the same time as pushing the old ones out but last time around I turned some tooling in the lathe so it's literally a 5 minute job swapping bushes. Takes many times longer getting them off and back on the vehicle.
 Click image to enlarge Don't need one this big as I've never seen it go above about 5t of force on any Defender bush. Ed 82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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6th Jan 2025 8:38pm |
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| MarkBrown Member Since: 03 Oct 2022 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 484 
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One thing to consider is that once the old ones are out no specific tools are needed to fit poly bushes. They’re also easy to replace should you need to. 1983 110 automatic OM606
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7th Jan 2025 8:17am |
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| jimbo55 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Midlands Posts: 400
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If your in a rush then probably best to just get a garage to press the old bushes out
Replace with superpro polybushes, the metalastic bushes that are available currently aren’t as good as they used to be from what I’ve seen and heard (there’s a reason the likes of Gwyn lewis won’t sell genuine bushes any more). The polybushes are very easy to install and replace further down the line without any special tools I run Gwyn lewis hd cranked arms on my 90 with it 1” lowered and the bush sits pretty much perfectly in the neutral position, but is a bit overkill and is just a left over from it being lifted previously. If you had the time I would be getting a set of the hd arms as the standard ones aren’t the strongest things. |
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7th Jan 2025 8:58am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5855
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Thanks all.
Mine look much more HD than those I’ve seen on-line etc. I’d rather not get rid of them, but getting the old bush out is proving a nightmare. I managed to get the core and the rubber out, but no luck with the outer ring which almost seems fused to the actual rod end. I’ve hacksawed and chiseled, but nothing happening. The chisel has peeled away only a tiny amount and that’s despite my hitting it with a 2kg club hammer. Not sure what else I can do? I’ll keep trying, but I’m teaching the point of diminishing returns…. 
Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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7th Jan 2025 2:08pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1229
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Do as suggested above, get a hacksaw through the sleeve.
Step-by-step instructions if you want: 1. Get a proper sized hacksaw (the 12" versions not the junior ones although one of those will probably work). 2. Take the blade off 3. Insert blade through hole 4. Reassemble hacksaw 5. Cut through sleeve. 6. Take a sharp narrow chisel (or screwdriver if you're feeling like a butcher) and whack it in right next to the cut 7. Hit all the way through so that the sleeve peels away from the trailing arm 8. If that hasn't removed it then remove the sharp implement and go opposite your cut and do the same thing. Since the sleeve is now smaller than the hole it'll just peel away and dislodge itself from the bush. 9. Go and buy a hydraulic press, they're not expensive anymore and a cheap one will do the jobs on this* Mine for example was only £100 second-hand, admittedly a bit of a find since the 700bar enerpac ram is worth 8x that on it's own. Ed 82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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7th Jan 2025 2:58pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5855
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Thanks Sako for taking the time to write that all out.
I’ve followed points 1-8 almost exactly to the word, but unfortunately the ‘it’ll just peel away and dislodge itself from the bush’, simply isn’t happening. As mentioned above, it is stuck rigid. In no way, shape or form, is the collar free/loose from the bar-end. I cannot tell why (I have no idea as I’m not a metallurgist), but the collar is definitely attached to the bar end. Whether it’s a bonding agent, rust, or something has happened to the grease in the years since it was fitted, the collar is stuck fast. I have used the 12” hacksaw, 3 x chisels (18mm, 12mm, 8mm), a screw driver, and the aforementioned 2kg lump hammer and it is not budging. As you can see from the photos, the collar is peeling away in tiny tiny pieces. Believe me, what you see is two hours of whacking and cutting. I’ll have to keep at it, now I’ve started. I’ve not touched the other one yet, I’ll likely just take it town the valley to see if I can get it pressed out, as unlike the UK, simply picking up a second hand press isn’t particularly viable. Anyway, thank you again. I’ll keep everyone posted….
Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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7th Jan 2025 4:43pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2056
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Have you a map gas touch? Some heat will soften anything that’s bonding the remains of the bush to the trailing arm and help you dislodge it with the hammer and chisel.
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7th Jan 2025 5:09pm |
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