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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443   
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I did look at that, and again find it hard to be sure. I think that the shadow in the rear view shows more rear overhang behind the rear wheel that you would see on an an 88", it looks to me more like a 109" shadow, but I wouldn't say it was conclusive.
No, the vehicle is correct, the SII, SIIA and SIII models have the indicators above the tail/brake lights. My old SII (which sadly I sold due to a lack of storage space some time before prices rocketed) left the factory without indicators, but would have had the tail lights in the lower of the two positions in the rear corner cappings. The SII corner cappings were always designed to allow for a second light unit, and the early ones had the hole in the galvanised capping but the panel behind was solid. A SII without indicators looks odd (and is now a very rare thing). This can just be made out in some of the illustrations in the picture below (a screenshot of a page of an original brochure currently for sale at a very silly price on Ebay).  Click image to enlarge |
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12th Jul 2023 9:20am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3422  
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Good information Blackwolf
Have limited knowledge about IIs and IIAs, usually I identify from the wiper motors. Interesting in the screen capture of the brochoure that there is only a side light on the mudguard. I have seen II2 or IIAs with an indicator beside the side lamp, and others with the indicator above the side lamp. Edit I am aware that SIIs VIN number starts with a 1 and IIAs with a 2, with 4th digit being the build year. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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12th Jul 2023 9:43am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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Yes, at the front on early SIIs (like mine) there was no pressing for the indicator light, and if fitted it was simply attached in a suitable place. The fitting instructions for the optional flasher kit, which did include amber light units for front and rear, instructed that the hole should be cut inboard of the existing sidelight but that the sidelight should be moved to the new hole and the indicator fitted in place if the sidelight, so that the indicator was outboard of the sidelight. This was, I believe, in order to comply with the then-current lighting regs. More commonly the indicator was fitted below the sidelight since this was equally legal but could cause number plate problems.
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12th Jul 2023 12:45pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150 
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Lamps moved on all markets in Spring 1968, probably march. Some export markets had moved by late 1968. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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12th Jul 2023 4:52pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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Series IIs and IIAs until 1967 had twin wiper motors. Single motor came in April 1967 with the black dash panel and negative eirth electrical system. Series IIAs had no year identifier on the chassis number, instead they had the suffix letter to indicate the variant (progressing starting with letter A). 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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12th Jul 2023 4:55pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3422
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Pictures of the side light / indicators. The latter is most interesting LR, but also like because its an 88”.
Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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12th Jul 2023 5:06pm |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3150
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The bottom one is military. They had up down lamps to leave space for the tall number plate layout in three rows of two digits. Civvy were side by side to give enough room for the standard civvy plate. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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13th Jul 2023 7:05pm |
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| L110CDL Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Devon Posts: 10782 
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Great read on this series
Yes it's a 109"
When i'm passing the series next i will get some more pics for you  1996 Golf Blue 300Tdi 110 Pick up.
Keeper. Clayton. |
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13th Jul 2023 7:59pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3422
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Yes. Also the headlams are different, they look same as the lightweight headlamps. I wish to bring that one home, but lack of space makes it an issue  1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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13th Jul 2023 8:17pm |
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| Screbble Member Since: 26 Apr 2015 Location: Lancashire Posts: 2106 
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I have often wondered about that - and what you say makes perfect sense 👍 |
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13th Jul 2023 8:44pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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Bottom one's earlier than the one above, too, since it has the original folded modesty valance. Top one has the later pressed type.
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13th Jul 2023 9:36pm |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 486
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Correct |
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14th Jul 2023 11:18am |
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| L110CDL Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Devon Posts: 10782
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As i was passing the 109 this morning i was able to stop and get a few more pics, sadly no one was about to ask about it
Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Inside the 109 Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge 1996 Golf Blue 300Tdi 110 Pick up.
Keeper. Clayton. |
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17th Jul 2023 7:40pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17443
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Definitely a 2.6 bulkhead.
Definitely needs love! |
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17th Jul 2023 8:03pm |
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