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Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6603 |
Let’s have a new year and new start with the attitude.
If you want to argue and wind up others about the 2020 Defender go elsewhere and don’t spoil this forum. 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top 2015 D90 XS SW |
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1st Jan 2020 9:15am |
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markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2619 |
Second that Martin
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1st Jan 2020 11:25am |
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AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 |
Well said Martin 130's have feeling's as well you know
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1st Jan 2020 6:07pm |
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Eduardo Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Región Metropolitana Posts: 2109 |
100% agree with Martin.
You can like or not the new Defender and choose it or not for several different reasons that in some sort are more related with your personal tastes or for what do you like it. Cheers and have a very nice 2020! Eduardo MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64' MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo" Click image to enlarge |
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2nd Jan 2020 4:11pm |
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zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 813 |
a very good point Dan, In Oz, LR owners do have more of a tendency to stick together whether you have a Defender, Disco 1,2,3,4, Rangie Sport etc. we have enough crap to contend with the Nissan and Toyota brigade..who believe the whole LR brand is tainted and not capable. There are quite a few owners (including moi) in OZ that get their "chelsea tractors/mall crawlers" as some people here would brand them out into the wilds and test them to what they have been designed to do.. it is a pity we not only have to deal with the prejudices of the Tojo brigade, but listen to the vitriol and prejudice put up by a few members on here as well. I look forward to receiving my new P400 in the middle of 2020, and reporting on some off road adventures in the future on some of the great places in Australia it will visit, which we have many of.. at the end of the day I am a Land Rover fan, i have had the pleasure since i passed my test 40 years ago in an Army Lightweight Airportable..of driving many variations including FFR's, Mineproofs, etc ever since.. but i am also happy to have owned and driven D1's, D2's, RR Classic and 2 RR Sports. (edited to remove pejorative language ) yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport Last edited by zilch on 11th Jan 2020 9:24am. Edited 4 times in total |
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11th Jan 2020 8:47am |
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Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 |
And yet you appear to be happy to slate existing Defender owners?
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11th Jan 2020 9:05am |
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zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 813 |
SC its a genuine question.. have you ever taken a D3/4/RRS on an off road excursion and evaluated its performance yet another pommie bar steward down under
MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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11th Jan 2020 9:11am |
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zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 813 |
No, i disagree, i have only slated those who have slated my20 perspective owners who are looking at the new one mate.. Love the old Defender and said so many times.. it goes with the territory of driving them for 9 years in the army yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport Last edited by zilch on 11th Jan 2020 9:21am. Edited 1 time in total |
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11th Jan 2020 9:13am |
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Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 |
Then phrase the question in less pejorative language and others can engage in an adult manner.
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11th Jan 2020 9:16am |
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zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 813 |
like your tow hitch adjustment post you mean
Happy 2020 to you SC.. yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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11th Jan 2020 9:20am |
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Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 |
Hardly "vitriol and prejudice"; however, I can see that joke went down the wrong way with you - so I'm happy to apologise to you for it and I will delete it if you feel that is necessary?
Short answer is yes, having owned two RRS. The truth is that no 4x4 actually offers the fun per mile once you have played with an amphibious 6x6: Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge And I doubt anyone could afford the panel damage alone from the bumps and scrapes this one has been through. I put it down to watching too much Camel Trophy in my formative years... |
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11th Jan 2020 9:41am |
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zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 813 |
hmm i cannot argue against a 6x6, some of my mates on a high country Victorian trip with their chelsea tractors/mall crawlers.. nearly as much fun i would suspect.. i could not make the day as i was stuck in India working
The MY11 sport was on stock standard continental tyres.. not even AT/MTR .. the owner (hydronic) has since passed on, the rest i keep in touch with.. the guy that does the video (Jamie) , massive LR fan, has a Defender, RR Sport, all treated with the same deference from an off road perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xoS3ChWhqU yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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11th Jan 2020 10:12am |
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zilch Member Since: 11 Sep 2019 Location: Whitsundays & Sydney Posts: 813 |
my point to the previous post is, many people who own Disco's, Rangie Sports etc do enjoy
getting them out of the school run, just wished people on here would not be so derogatory about us owners and in particular those who will go to the new Defender, i for one will enjoy introducing it to the same level of off road combat yet another pommie bar steward down under MY20 110 P400 SE Defender MY10 3.0 RR Sport |
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11th Jan 2020 10:57am |
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Ecco Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 279 |
...reason i genuinely dislike pretender is mostly because, in my humble opinion, such products systematically destroying LR as brand, which i care for..they simply cant sell enough of these cars(or any other new incarnation of previous models), to make any self sustaining financial income...and having pretender in form as it is, is missed opportunity to sort of, 'turn tables' in favor of LR, considering 'legendary' status of series/defender...they blow it up...
As for of road..I did had such experience with my P38 (completely stock, no modifications) here in Malaysia, together with some folks with new LR variants of RR, disco, which were despite their 'advanced off road tech', needed to be rescued (all stock cars with fancy low profile tyres)..another event was with one of my defenders, but it was not some sort of of road to be proud of, which is okay, as soon as it went trough fine while mall crawlers need to be towed out.. Anyway, i really dislike JLR attitude towards their products which really doesnt serve brand well, and ballance sheet clearly shows that...this is the main reason, apart from many less relevant, why i truly dislike pretender... |
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11th Jan 2020 11:51am |
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