Martin wrote:

Let’s have a new year and new start with the attitude.

If you want to argue and wind up others about the 2020 Defender go elsewhere and don’t spoil this forum.

22900013A wrote:

Basically there are Landrover fans, and there are fans of The Landrover.
Dan

a very good point Dan, In Oz, LR owners do have more of a tendency to stick together
whether you have a Defender, Disco 1,2,3,4, Rangie Sport etc. we have enough crap to contend with
the Nissan and Toyota brigade..who believe the whole LR brand is tainted and not capable. There are quite a few
owners (including moi) in OZ that get their "chelsea tractors/mall crawlers" as some people here would brand them out into
the wilds and test them to what they have been designed to do.. it is a pity we not only have to
deal with the prejudices of the Tojo brigade, but listen to the vitriol and prejudice put up by a few members on
here as well.

I look forward to receiving my new P400 in the middle of 2020, and reporting on some off road
adventures in the future on some of the great places in Australia it will visit, which we have many of..
at the end of the day I am a Land Rover fan, i have had the pleasure since i passed my test 40 years ago in
an Army Lightweight Airportable..of driving many variations including FFR's, Mineproofs,
etc ever since.. but i am also happy to have owned and driven D1's, D2's, RR Classic and 2 RR Sports.

(edited to remove pejorative language )  yet another pommie bar steward down under

MY20 110 P400 SE Defender
MY10 3.0 RR Sport

zilch wrote:

it is a pity we not only have to deal with the prejudices of the Tojo brigade, but listen to the vitriol and prejudice put up by a few members on here as well.

zilch wrote:

I would offer my MY10 Range Rover Sport has done as much or more off road time than many of the those that spout against the MY20 Defender on here, who have never tested a modern land rover
in challenging off road conditions, if they had, i suspect they would not be so vocal and anti to the new vehicle.
and may show a little bit more appreciation ... right

Question: has this Chelsea tractor done more off road than your defender (West Yorks/KL).. lets compare

Supacat wrote:

zilch wrote:

it is a pity we not only have to deal with the prejudices of the Tojo brigade, but listen to the vitriol and prejudice put up by a few members on here as well.

And yet you appear to be happy to slate existing Defender owners?

zilch wrote:

SC its a genuine question.. have you ever taken a D3/4/RRS on an off road excursion and evaluated its performance

Short answer is yes, having owned two RRS. The truth is that no 4x4 actually offers the fun per mile once you have played with an amphibious 6x6:

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And I doubt anyone could afford the panel damage alone from the bumps and scrapes this one has been through. I put it down to watching too much Camel Trophy in my formative years...