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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149   
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I would like to think any criticisms I have made regarding the new Defender are aimed at the vehicle itself and perhaps the company behind it, not any prospective buyers. I honestly have no interest in what other people drive or why. I like various different vehicles and these days spend more time behind the wheel of a Volkswagen than a Land Rover. I personally would never be seen in a Porsche for example, but if they float your boat then all power to you.
Like the whole thing about Toyatas, Jeeps etc. In all seriousness what the hell is that about? If someone likes Jeeps (and I would say I am mildly interested in them, certainly the older ones) then go and enjoy your Jeep rather than slating other bands, but let's be honest landrover people do this too and its very childish I think. Seems many people in general can't abide the thought that some people might think differently to them (be it cars, politics or any other subject)let's all try and get over it? I don't personally see the appeal of the new Defender but I accept some people do and I sincerely hope it is everything you wish for, but I don't understand the need to try and convince the "not for me thanks" crowd that we are wrong. My interest in JLR ended in January 2016, with only the Works V8 drawing any interest after then, as well as JLRclassic, although both are well beyond my means. 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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11th Jan 2020 12:21pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2620  
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Just to change tack ever so slightly I have well over 10,000 tracks on my phone that I can llsten to anywhere and any time when I choose and it is always a joy. I like my music, though I respect that others may not like my choice of music.
I also have my LP collection. I prefer to play the digital up to date recordings because a stuck record is anoying and never adds anything new to the experience. In fact you know it is going to happen and the outcome even before the needle gets that far. So in response you just ignore it and just leave it at the back of the collection to gather dust and languish in its own self pity. Next week, book reviews... |
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11th Jan 2020 5:22pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Some people (but not me) might call you a luddite ~ you know you should be streaming and then you'd have access to well more than just 10k tracks... |
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11th Jan 2020 5:28pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2620
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LOL Supacat
Streaming is the Devils work I tell ye... |
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11th Jan 2020 5:48pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283
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It's not the vehicle that has caused the problem.
It's the name they put on it. |
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11th Jan 2020 9:15pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5146
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if our local land rover dealer gets one of these in, me and my dad are going to have a look at see what the crack is with it. I am on the fence with it. Its got a lot to live up to compared to the classic. One of my team leaders, hates the look of it, and said you cannot repair that in the field, or just get in that covered in cow
 , then go to the market. He has a point though, if I do get the chance to see one in person I will be asking how easy are these to fix compared to the original.  Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back
Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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12th Jan 2020 1:40am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3149
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Nail on head there! 2011 110 USW 1973 Series III 1-Ton 1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker 1969 IIA 1-Ton 1966 IIA 88" |
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12th Jan 2020 7:15am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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If you don’t like the model name it does have another one you can use......... L663. No need to make any mention of Defender then Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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12th Jan 2020 11:14am |
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| chalky Member Since: 09 May 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 483 
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Where’s the fun In That ?
Coming on here and whining about something that upsets people so much that they can’t even bring themselves to speak its name let alone accept that for something to evolve it has to change, I’m thinking about joining the Velar forum to ❄️ about the fact that the new incarnation bares absolutely no resemblance what so ever to the 1969 version that morphed into what we call to day the FFRR, the fact that JLR own the brand which also gives them the right to call it pretty much anything they want, Yet here we looking at a post on a forum getting all upset and overworked because somebody who owns the rights to something that they have manufactured for sale doesn’t agree with the outcome. Whatever else you do on the internet, FFS don’t start looking At the Greggs ”Steak Bake” debate ! That’ll about send you over the edge ! DEFENDER XS CSW 08 TONGA GREEN |
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12th Jan 2020 11:22pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I think we all wanted change with the Defender - we all saw things that could be improved, faults that needed fixing. Everyone was indeed very accepting of change - was there a single defender that came out of the factory and was not changed almost immediately. It's one of it's most appealing characteristics that it's a vehicle that can be changed so readily and in so many different ways. I think if there's one thing not to level at existing defender owners it's accepting change! The real question is: "There is nothing wrong with change, if it is in the right direction." -Winston Churchill |
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13th Jan 2020 9:21am |
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| chalky Member Since: 09 May 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 483
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“So it’s just the name you want changing then”
- Not Winston Churchill. You either want change or you don’t, bolting bits on an existing vehicle platform or changing the cubby box, bobbing a roof rack on, swapping the wheels Over is change if you can’t accept it, if you put on a pair of earrings on and put your hair in a bun it’s cosmetic change, the simple fact is that you are still looking at the same thing In the mirror, it just looks slightly different,? if you want to make yourself longer you could wear high heels or swap these for waders if you don’t want to get your ankles wet. I think this part of the forum is for those who want to embrace change and not keep looking at themselves in the mirror looking at what used to be and trying desperately to make it work, I’ve said it many times so I won’t bore you with it again, I’m fed up with the old Land Rover Defender ! I’ve had too many to make it work for me especially in 2020 ! If it works for you that’s great, but your never going to convince me I need to buy another that’s exactly the same as it was when I bought one 30 odd years ago, I’ve moved on, and I don’t care what they call it, for me they should call it CHANGE, That way You can accept it it and buy one or or just about it and not accept it. DEFENDER XS CSW 08 TONGA GREEN |
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13th Jan 2020 10:19am |
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| jeffersj Member Since: 23 Jan 2015 Location: Near Preston Posts: 431 
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Just been to the Defender launch at Inchcape in Preston.
Most underwhelming occasion, not enough reception staff, struggled to get a cup of coffee, unveiling was 30 mins late done by amateurs. Salesmen were only interested in talking to their favourite well heeled customers. The new Defender looked great and is an impressive vehicle but the stars of the show were the Series 1 and a dozen or so of various older Defender models brought in by customers. I do not think I will bother with Land Rovers any more when my Defender and my wife's Evoque need replacing which is sad as I have been a LR fan for many years.  Jeff
Ex 1968 Series 2A Ex 90 TD5 Ex D3 Ex D4 |
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13th Jan 2020 5:13pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17336 
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I was hoping for change. In my wildest dream the new Defender would have combined the versatility, body philosophy, and general style of the outgoing Defender with the best features of the Disco2 chassis, running gear and relative sophistication (not the rust, though) with the build quality, reliability, and longevity of a Toyota.
Only in my worst nightmare did it become the bland chimera offspring of a Yeti mated with a Velar, a triumph of style over substance, with versatility replaced by verticality. I am not a luddite, I have nothing against the many people who like it and certainly wouldn't insult them, and I am sure it will sell in as large numbers as the old, hopefully larger. However when my Defender needs replacing I won't be buying one because it simply cannot do what my current one does, so it will either have to be a pre-owned classic Defender, something like a Ranger (doesn't tick all the boxes by any means), or 'Mog. Or maybe a Bollinger or Grenadier if they ever deliver the goods. If I wanted a lifestyle SUV for the designer wife and 2.4 kids I don't have, then I just might look at the new one, but it is a competitive sector. I wouldn't want to have to change my name to Griff Groovy and wear overpriced designer outdoor gear though. |
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13th Jan 2020 7:52pm |
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| chalky Member Since: 09 May 2008 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 483
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Jeff, I wouldn’t have expected anything else from a dealer, unfortunately the days of walking into a dealers and being greeted by a salesman in a pair of Rohan trousers, walking boots and a body warmer have long since gone, Hadwins at the side of Coniston carried this on for a few years after as they resisted the onslaught of the Land Rover regime by staying as an independent none franchised dealer and it showed in the way that did business, I went to the factory at Solihull for the unveiling last year, you can actually order and take delivery at their hub near the front gates if you do not want to visit a dealer, I’ll be getting mine from Coniston but I did consider the factory option.
Blackwolf, I’m pretty sure you don’t need a designer wife or designer outdoor gear to buy a modern SUV ? I could be wrong though ? I’ve just got back in from a bracing 12 mile walk in the peaks, an army issued base layer, a 20 odd year old buffalo shirt, walking trousers cut off to make shorts When the knees wore out and a pair of altberg desert boots that I’ve had since 2003. Kids...... well for me and having been T boned in a 110 by an articulated lorry having just dropped off my then 2 year old off at nursery ! Not good..... if he had been in the car or a passenger then it would have been fatal, every window smashed, including the alpine lights, chassis bent rear axle ripped off, That car was actually bought and an MOT check reveals that it’s still on the road ! There’s no safety built into a Defender except for the few idiots who put the you are my crumple zone on their car ? Something which parents put a lot of emphasis on that’s why Volvo’s sell as well as they do to family’s. It’s definitely been something I’ve paid attention to, I’ve had Mates killed in them whilst in crashes and their rugged no nonsense durability is pathetic when you see first hand how aluminium and no structural steel bends. As for designer wife’s. I’m not sure if these are a thing ? I have tried designing a few myself but they are very difficult to design, DEFENDER XS CSW 08 TONGA GREEN |
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14th Jan 2020 11:43am |
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