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LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324 |
No, no at all. Apart from the fact that the presence of oil would prevent corrosion and debris forming in the first place, there's no mechanism that would draw the oil back into the 'box. Darren
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4th Jan 2022 8:47am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
not sure I agree with the first part of your response tho if no corrosion etc would that not assume the shaft - hasn/t / wouldn't fail? |
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4th Jan 2022 10:00am |
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LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324 |
Not necessarily. From what I've seen corrosion is merely a consequence of lack of lubrication and not in itself the prime cause of failure. There are several reasons why failure can occur including poor installation, although the prime suspect seems to be some sort of misalignment. Darren
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4th Jan 2022 10:26am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
personally if I had the time I'd be looking into the possibilities of removing the mt82 + adapter shaft and replace with the tremec t56 magnum. It's longer and hopefully long enough to do away with the adapter altogether. connecting this to the lt230 has been done many times it just the clutch end / bell housing? granted it wouldn't be cheap but resale on the gearbox and not having to pay for a replacement shaft every so often / reliability would for me be worth several thousand pounds? hmm |
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4th Jan 2022 10:56am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
thinking about it.
as said elsewhere; the mt82 is well proven, the lt230 is well proven, the method of connecting the two ie an adapter shaft is a well proven principle. therefore the only possible problem is the adapter shaft housing. surely there are people out there that could both verify this and build a replacement housing to the necessary tolerances? isn't this a preferential route to take over the ashcroft adapter and the one piece offerings out there? granted such a thing is not currently available and hence the above options are preferrable. |
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4th Jan 2022 11:01am |
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LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324 |
I suspect that you're right but imagine that an adapter housing is much more complicated to manufacture than a revised shaft. As the latter seems to solve the problem in the majority of vehicles that suffer, it's also a very limited market. I appreciate that's no comfort for those with a vehicle that eats shafts more regularly, though.
If you do have such a vehicle then I guess it'd be worth finding somebody that could properly investigate the 'box alignment and undertake the necessary machining to cure it. Doesn't sound cheap though, unfortunately. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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4th Jan 2022 11:14am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17336 |
I tend to agree with you, and supporting evidence includes that fact that I have changed my transfer box and doing so does not appear to have affected the longevity of my coupling (which as I tend to repeat with boring regularity has now done more than 250k miles). It should be noted however that the housing is a very tricky shape to measure accurately. Although checking the front and rear faces for parallelism is easy enough, if the dowel holes in either face are machined inaccurately it would be incredibly difficult to tell but would result in the two ends of the shaft not being aligned axially. I suspect that this is what is happening. Since only Landrover and the manufacturer of the part, who was, presumably, supplied with the a CAD file or drawings including tolerances, know where the dowel holes should be, it is hard to check. Measurements would have to be accurate in two axes, of course. It would be possible to carry out comparative measurements between a known good part and a known coupling-eater, if one had access to them, but even this would require access to some fairly fancy equipment. If I had the time it is something I would be fascinated to delve into, I would love to be able to prove my theory. I probably have the equipment to do it, but not the time to dismantle my transmission, make some tooling, and take the measurements, and I don't have a known bad adaptor housing for comparison. |
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4th Jan 2022 11:37am |
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MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2410 |
I believe the rate of failure of the ashcroft kit so far =0. Disregarding some oil leak problems in the early models. Puma 110" SW
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4th Jan 2022 11:49am |
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LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324 |
Unfortunately that's no longer the case. See Keith's post towards the end of page 20. Darren
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4th Jan 2022 11:55am |
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MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2410 |
OK but I believe we have not seen the shaft etc yet (?) Not sure Puma 110" SW
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4th Jan 2022 11:59am |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
hi BW and a very happy new year to you.
just a thought - and again I'm not suggesting this is going to be easy..... could a rig not be made up on a good set up ie yours - remind me how many adapter shafts have you got through and at what mileage could a rig mounted on the gearbox externals locate the position of the lt230. I appreciate this might not be as accurate as it should be but presumably close enough to establish if a 'bad one' isn't in the same position? |
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4th Jan 2022 12:05pm |
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Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6298 |
just another thought on this?
is it possible its a simple case of the shaft isn't balanced? especially bearing in mind it has that plastic cover on it. I know prop shafts have to be balanced - I appreciate they are a lot heavier and far more likely to be out of balance - just a thought? |
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4th Jan 2022 12:10pm |
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jpboost Member Since: 13 Apr 2021 Location: Gatwick Posts: 377 |
I think the nature of the failures would suggest it wasn't the quality (balancing or otherwise) of the actual shafts.
As others have said above (and probably clearer than i am), if some cars get through multiple shafts in relatively short mileages, but others are fine for huge mileage, you can discount variance in the shafts themselves. The difference has to be something relating to the vehicles we're fitting them into. |
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4th Jan 2022 12:33pm |
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Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4203 |
Something I would do if I had a car that was chomping through shafts quickly is replace the adapter housing with another used one from a breakers, higher mileage the better. This is on the basis that the replacement should be better, and if it is not it is unlikely to be worse. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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4th Jan 2022 12:34pm |
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