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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2290   
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The news story says "new diesel and petrol vehicles will be banned" - does that mean that hybrids will be excluded from the ban? Ie, there will still be diesel and petrol vehicles, but hybrid drive will be mandatory?
I am seeing mixed reports, some saying "the ban will encourage people to switch to electric and hybrid vehicles." others saying "The government warned that the move will also take in hybrid vehicles" |
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26th Jul 2017 9:54am |
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| proloForêt Member Since: 16 Mar 2017 Location: Montereau Posts: 248  
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It look to me you follow France now who say abotu this ban in May.
It say it ban all the fossil fuel vehicles that rely on sole this method. So hybrid will still be there. This assumption the tech stay say for 23yrs. I feel not and something new comes. The real battle will be the right to covert vehicles which in many of EU is banned (because they only can tax a new car sale). |
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26th Jul 2017 10:11am |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5804 
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A policy nod to the green brigade which has no grounding in reality. First, the bulk of the UK's pollution (albeit not road-side PM) comes from powerstations. Powerstations to create electricity, the same stuff needed to power the cars we will be allowed to buy from 2040>. As such, given we can expect an ever increasing number to be sold between now and then, as sheeples jump on the eco electric bandwagon, where do they (or where does the government) propose the surge in electricity to meet this demand to come from? Solar, Wind and Water electricity production is not nearly efficient enough to produce the quantities needed to supply the grid, so will we rely on coal? Or Nuclear, but without the pwoerstations actually being built in sufficient numbers? Finally, what of the discarded cars that could have reasonably been kept in ownership for longer, where do their polluting scraps go? And what of batteries? Even if they produce a battery that covers the same as a full tank tomorrow, it'll still likely need an overnight charge (rather than 5min refill) and judging by our tablets and smartphones, will stop holding its juice after 5 years or so...
Bonkers proposal. I'll still be running the Def, if my old legs can push the clutch down and Mrs Gren can still climb in  Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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26th Jul 2017 10:13am |
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| Chocolate Member Since: 18 May 2012 Location: Berkshire Posts: 153  
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Electric cars are all well and good as long as you have somewhere to plug them in overnight.
How many new developments are providing car charging points? Especially when to get planning permission they only need to provide space for 1 to 1 and 1/2 cars! That’s not even on a drive, so could be communal. How many estates are there where cars are parked all over the place. You can just see the first court case where someone delivering trips over the charging cable. Then the councils will be involved for installing charge points on estates. So where does that money come from. I am sure there will be issues with cables across pathways to roads, so they will be banned. As all cars seem to be internet connected, so the car can tell the manufacture/electrical companies how much you use. That way the cost for charging can be much more than standard electricity to the home. Like a second tax, or you’ll be billed on miles travelled. 110XS CSW TD5. |
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26th Jul 2017 10:29am |
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| hafman Member Since: 28 Mar 2017 Location: W Sussex Posts: 81
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Governments (of all flavours) rarely know what is going to happen in a month's time, let alone in 23 year's time, so I doubt you'll get an accurate answer just yet  |
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26th Jul 2017 10:39am |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5108 
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Eventually all cars will be electric I suppose! However as our population grows so do the amount of cars on the road at present 36.7 million vehicles were registered for use on the roads in Great Britain in 2016. It is estimated that number will rise by 600.000 a year so by 2040 that could mean 48 million vehicles.
Quick question to the Government, where eventually when all cars are electric is all the electricity coming from to charge them, as we are already starting to struggle with demand on just domestic and industry use. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at.. http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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26th Jul 2017 11:07am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3479 
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Maybe we should all take a step backwards and look at the predictions made by our predecessors;
Atomic Powered Vehicles, Flying Vehicles, taking a tablet instead of eating, enormous amounts of leisure time after the introduction of computers, eradication of TB? The electrical infrastructure in this country is not designed to take everyone's electric cars. It's bad enough trying to get a supply for a dozen car chargers in a complex, let alone a street or an estate full of them. Because it is all run by private companies, the chances the kind of infrastructure changes needed actually happening is not very high. Another political knee-jerk reaction to a problem which does need to be fixed. As for the learned Gentleman on BBC Breakfast this morning predicting that we will be able to plug in to chargers on lamp posts, that will not be any lamp posts I have ever wired. 1. Cable too small for any meaningful electrical charging 2. Lamp Post too small to connect any large enough cable to facilitate fitting a car charger. Could you imagine the fights that would erupt at lamp posts? |
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26th Jul 2017 12:34pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5108
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^^^^^^^
Sorted sort of 
I had a watch once that wound itself up via movement and shaking of the wrist. Now I reckon that by 2040 our roads will be one continuous pot hole  that as cars travel over these rough surfaces they will shake like mad if the boffins adapt the movement and shaking technology of the self-winding watch to charge up a vehicle battery then no problem with extra electric supply.
Might go on Dragons Den with this one. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..
http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1 |
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26th Jul 2017 12:52pm |
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| Sockpuppet Member Since: 17 Sep 2011 Location: Leicester Posts: 479
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By 2040 I'd expect that battery technology can put the same amount of power in a space the size of the fuel tank as you get now for it to be a realistic alternative - also it would have to be this for commercial operators to change.
Besides by then I expect Nakantega will offer us a full electric defender conversion in stainless obviously  |
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26th Jul 2017 1:11pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3479
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Enormous amounts of torque from an electric drive
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26th Jul 2017 1:15pm |
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| SonicFields Member Since: 11 Jul 2017 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 124 |
Hmm... current news topics.... driverless cars.... 2040 ban on new petrol diesel cars and vans.... medical dogs to sniff out diseases... iPhone video appointments.....
I just woe the day I have to phone the doctor, and end up with a Labrador rolling up in a driverless electric car carrying an iPhone  |
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26th Jul 2017 1:56pm |
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| David T Member Since: 01 Sep 2016 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 190 
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Dogs can sniff out diseases?????
My wife's friend has a labrador that head-butts me in the nuts every time I see it, I wonder what she's been teaching it to check for? |
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26th Jul 2017 2:07pm |
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| Swine&Small Member Since: 20 Mar 2017 Location: Norfolk Posts: 1223
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V8 = 4 batteries on each side giving about 90 bhp and a range of about 130 miles dependant on the weight of the vehicle
It would appear that this proposal will include Light Goods Vehicles, i.e. ours, so maybe the new "defender" will not have the lifespan of the current shape. Personally, I cannot see that development in battery technology will progress sufficiently to enable the average light goods vehicle to be solely powered by batteries, so maybe, just maybe, there is hope that the combination of a 5 litre V8 coupled to a couple of Duracell AA's may meet the Hybrid definition. On a more positive note just imagine all those white van courier drivers charging around in "Milk Floats"  1983 Series 3 Pick up in Marine Blue
1967 Morris Traveller 1966 Morris Convertible 2012 VW T5 Camper Quod Abundat Non Obstat. |
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26th Jul 2017 2:27pm |
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| need4speed Member Since: 23 Nov 2012 Location: Kilmarnock Posts: 746 |
Agree with everything you said here. It's about time the government stopped poncing around with renewables and invest in the latest nuclear technology. It's the only thing that will produce the amount of power required for an ever-increasing population. Especially if the mainstay of transport is going to be electric. 4.6 RV8 110HT |
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26th Jul 2017 3:06pm |
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