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g-mack

Member Since: 07 Jan 2014
Location: northumberland
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jimbob7 wrote:
Is there not a correlation between adults getting their jollies killing animals and psychopaths/kiddie fiddlers.
Either way,you have to be a pretty sick individual,just sayin.

its actually not a daft response. google it there is lots of info on the link between animal cruelty and physcopaths.
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18th Mar 2016 5:40pm

Cheshire110

Member Since: 26 Jul 2013
Location: Cheshire/London
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Land Rover driver was an idiot (& clearly intentionally provocative) for overtaking on private land there, totally his fault for the original accident.

Tractor driver was then clearly unnecessarily destructive.

As for the lurid and quite frankly false comments made by a number of members on here, you should hang your heads in shame. Uneducated, unfounded and (in all seriousness) stupid. I would expect better. Cheers, David
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18th Mar 2016 5:49pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
Posts: 5116

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Supacat wrote:
Having read the background, the first incident looked more like a 50:50 to me - 2 into 1 just doesn't go and when one of them it 3 times the size of the other...

However, the tractor driver then appears to steer into and ram the land rover - that's not acceptable behaviour and I hope action will be taken against him once the video has been viewed by the appropriate authorities.

I agree action should be taken against the tractor driver but according to the Face Book page. Police have refused to take any action against the tractor driver. Cannot understand why not?
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18th Mar 2016 5:51pm

g-mack

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mystic meg says this thread will turn very heated and be closed in 3 days time

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18th Mar 2016 5:57pm

gilarion

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Location: Wales
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Quote:
this thread will turn very heated

Definitely not on my land

The expression on the horses face says it all....

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18th Mar 2016 6:19pm

JWL

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: Hereford
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The hunting of mammals with dogs was made illegal in February 2005 after the bill put forward by MP Michael Foster was carried on through Parliament by Tony Blair on another vote harvest and using emergency powers that hasn't been employed since WW II.
It is not illegal for hunts to mount up and follow artificially laid trails which to many look like a full blown foxhunt. Many hunts will "flush" out foxes from areas and of deep cover which are then dispatched by either a gun or a bird of prey, all of which is within the law. Also it is perfectly within the law to be in charge of two dogs that hunt and kill their prey.

18th Mar 2016 6:25pm

Cheshire110

Member Since: 26 Jul 2013
Location: Cheshire/London
Posts: 2774

g-mack wrote:
mystic meg says this thread will turn very heated and be closed in 3 days time

It's only comments like this that will turn a sensible debate into a stupid one:
"Is there not a correlation between adults getting their jollies killing animals and psychopaths/kiddie fiddlers."

No need for it. Cheers, David
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18th Mar 2016 6:53pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8582

Just a few musings and No I can not prove some of the following statements.

I do not have any objection to people carrying out LEGAL pursuits.

Now the Hunt Sabs as they call themselves or hunt saboteurs, to my mind has an illegal ring about it as to be sabotage by its nature is possibly an illegal act.

Why do any protesters have to cover their face if all they are engaging in is legal peaceful protest? To me it is wrong, almost as if they need to disguise their identity.

As for this particular incident what is the history/background to it?

Now if it was a case that the Land Rover driver had made an error of navigation and made a wrong turn onto private land I am sure a simple apology would have suffice and everybody would go about their day.

I suspect that there is 'history' here where on other occasions hunt saboteurs had caused trouble/damage on that farmers lane be it as simple as leaving gates open so stock can wander.

Were this particular group who were trespassing as polite as they pretend to be with the farmer or did they just see him as part of the 'enemy'. What threats were made to the farmer and his family? How come the hunt sabs knows the farmers name?

So was it partly down to the farmer wanting 'revenge' for previous incidents?

The Defender driver did not show any skills in trying to overtake the tractor on a bend on the verge with a big ditch there.

The police did not take any action, why? A collision between two vehicles off the public highway with no injuries. Let the insurance companies sort it out. Now the police may well be aware of other trouble on that private lane that we do not know about.

Had threats been made to the farmer and his family so he was scared and he took a defensive action?

There are too many unknowns and that video is definitely edited just to show the tractor driver in bad light

Brendan

18th Mar 2016 7:49pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8582

A quick google found this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-29...-bars.html

Not so peaceful

I am sure there are lots of videos showing bad tempered attacks on both sides, but masked protesters carrying iron bars?

Brendan

18th Mar 2016 8:03pm

gilarion

Member Since: 05 Dec 2013
Location: Wales
Posts: 5116

leeds wrote:
A collision between two vehicles off the public highway

Was it just a collision though, watching the video it looked more like a determined and deliberate act of damage by the driver of the tractor that could have caused injury. Private land/lane or not, rules of law still apply and if that tractor driver carried out those acts on a public highway serious consequences would have followed and rightly so. I still cannot fathom why the local police are ignoring this especially with video evidence. For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

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18th Mar 2016 8:06pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
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jimbob7 wrote:
Is there not a correlation between adults getting their jollies killing animals and psychopaths/kiddie fiddlers.
Either way,you have to be a pretty sick individual,just sayin.

well thats that said then! really?

g-mack wrote:
jimbob7 wrote:
Is there not a correlation between adults getting their jollies killing animals and psychopaths/kiddie fiddlers.
Either way,you have to be a pretty sick individual,just sayin.

its actually not a daft response. google it there is lots of info on the link between animal cruelty and physcopaths.
not sure about the kiddie fiddling bit mind!

Jimbob7 didnt mention animal cruelty though. Cheers

James
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18th Mar 2016 8:19pm

mick

Member Since: 08 Feb 2010
Location: Yorkshire
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Nowt wrong with a bit of Hunting

Hunt sabs are a rite pain
Countryside is going to be in a rite mess if we do t keep the vermin under control look at Scotland drop a rite bo,,,, realising Beaver up there a pal of mine runs a estate that over run with Pole cats can't touch em they kill everything
Let the country folk look after it and let the office wallys stay in there cosy office

18th Mar 2016 9:08pm

Cheshire110

Member Since: 26 Jul 2013
Location: Cheshire/London
Posts: 2774

Yep. If an activity is legal, it should be ILLEGAL to intentionally and repeatedly disrupt it. Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.

18th Mar 2016 9:28pm

Cupboard

Member Since: 21 Mar 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 2971

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leeds wrote:
but masked protesters carrying iron bars?

That's what's really turned me against them. It's one thing seeing them on TV, it's quite another when it's my mum on the receiving end. Yes the tractor driver was stupid ramming the Land Rover, even if all it lost him was the moral high ground, but given the circumstances I'd imagine feelings were running quite high so leaving it at a little shove probably took quite a bit of restraint.

Personally, I'm all for necessary pest control, I'm all for a nice jolly on a horse, and if you can combine the two then great. I love eating things that have been shot to keep the countryside in good working order. I do have an issue with people breeding things just to be shot at though, there's no sport in shooting a stupid thing. But hey, I quite enjoy beating

18th Mar 2016 9:48pm

leeds

Member Since: 28 Dec 2009
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 8582

gilarion wrote:
leeds wrote:
A collision between two vehicles off the public highway

Was it just a collision though, .......

Now if that farmer had seen that video of the huntsman being attacked by a masked hunt saboteur, had his family been threaten?

Did he believe his family was in danger? If I thought my family was in danger, YES I would ram a vehicle off the road IF I thought it would protect my family.

As I said that video is a snap shot off a very small portion of that days event. Without a lot more information I will not judge that farmer

Why did the police not take action? Not in the public interest? Maybe they are aware of a lot more background information. then we are.

Brendan

18th Mar 2016 9:53pm

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