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Birdy

Member Since: 07 Oct 2011
Location: Côte d'Azur
Posts: 867

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

"... Landrover will only pay a fixed, and usually unrealistically small, amount for warranty repairs and recalls so if the job takes 5 minutes longer the dealer will be paying for those 5 minutes"

The brackets in question were fitted to my truck way back at the time of the first recall by my main dealer (Hunters in Norwich), absolutely no fuss or problem, "did what it said on the tin".

Unfortunately, I didn't keep the relevant Technical Bulletin and can't recall the time allowed. But for the 2013 "difficulty in selecting gears/poor gear shift quality" recall, which required the High/Low range linkage to be removed and two spacer bushes inserted in opposing corners, the dealer was paid 0.7 hours.

Peter

22nd Jan 2024 6:23pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17443

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Dealers are allowed 12 minutes total to fit both brackets, and an additional 12 minutes for "drive in/drive out" (there's a link to all the TSBs on the first post of this thread).

22nd Jan 2024 6:33pm

Sawn

Member Since: 22 Jan 2024
Location: Weymouth
Posts: 3

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HT Alpine White

Had this happen last week 😳

It's been nothing but hard work to get this to a local dealer due to how busy they are, to get it booked in for inspection, then the amount of questions about it's history 😔

Do you know when you get a bad feeling about something about to happen

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22nd Jan 2024 6:35pm

Scotm

Member Since: 28 Feb 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 666

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Orkney Grey

That was very lucky - I would definitely be notifying vehicle safety branch at the DVSA. vsb@dvsa.gov.uk

22nd Jan 2024 7:00pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17443

Given that it is a known and acknowledged fault I hope that LR gives you a new axle free of charge.

I was dismayed earlier today to read on a motor industry website that it is estimated that there are presently 10,000 JLR vehicles awaiting spare parts which are unobtainable, and 5,000 JLR customers driving courtesy cars because of this. The reason nobody can now get a courtesy car is because there are none left. The typical wait for parts is 3 months, and some people have been waiting for 9 months for parts (the warranty will have expired before their vehicle is returned). Then there's the insurance problem.

It's not all bad news though, at least customers can look forward to JLR's introduction of "wellbeing features".

How much longer can JLR survive like this, I wonder.

22nd Jan 2024 8:05pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3422

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black

So this is a case that failed after approx 12 years. Guess fatigue will start doing its work on the defective axles. Just a matter of time. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

22nd Jan 2024 11:27pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4704

Mine is 2011 and had the brackets fitted years ago. I suppose I'll need to check underneath before I drive it. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

23rd Jan 2024 12:18am

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3643

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

Mine is also 2011, also bracket fitted, I just look for an oil leak on the floor where it is parked DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

23rd Jan 2024 6:11am

pistonfields

Member Since: 29 Mar 2022
Location: Zurich
Posts: 72

Dinnu wrote:
So this is a case that failed after approx 12 years. Guess fatigue will start doing its work on the defective axles. Just a matter of time.

Is there a sensible way of fixing it? e.g. re-welding it or welding some sort of plate over it?

23rd Jan 2024 7:51am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17443

A new axle case would be the sensible way to fix it, although I suppose that there is no reason why it couldn't be removed, cleaned, welded properly, and reassembled. I'd also be replacing the halfshaft since it is probably carrying much of the weight of that corner of the vehicle and cannot be straight any more.

The problem is (I have been assured by someone in the know) an issue with the weld position, so the material thicknesses and specifications are the same for the sound and unsound axles. Ergo if you could re-weld the broken axle in a way which you knew to be sound you should be absolutely fine. I doubt that adequate weld prep for a good job could be done with the axle assembled and on the vehicle though. If I was taking this route I would get it done by a very competent welder (ideally a coded welder) and NDT'ed afterwards.

The original recall notice (see the first post in this thread) states:

JLR wrote:
Action to be taken

Jaguar Land Rover Limited has taken the decision to recall affected vehicles to renew the axle case housing.

This suggests to me that JLR should replace Sawn's axle case without question however unfortunately experience with JLR suggests that it will put more cost and effort into avoiding doing anything at all than it would take to repair the vehicle. I will be interested to hear the outcome.

Scotm wrote:
That was very lucky...

I know what you mean and agree with you, but isn't it strange the way our minds work? I'd be inclined to think that it is incredibly unlucky that the end has broken off the axle! If however the end is going to break off, to have it happen in such a benign and non-catastrophic was is very, very lucky indeed!

23rd Jan 2024 10:06am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2420

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

IMO, the best way to go around this, would be to actually weld some well designed plates. Anyway, that is what I would definitely do if I had one of those cheese-MIG welded axle casings.
Maybe some of those metal parts for chassis providers can come up with some sort of DIY solution for those who prefer a branded part (or it might be the case they do not want to get involved in this obscure

from LR). Puma 110" SW

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Earth first. Other planets later

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23rd Jan 2024 10:46am

pistonfields

Member Since: 29 Mar 2022
Location: Zurich
Posts: 72

Mine has the brackets fitted; can't say when or where it has been done (it's an import vehicle from Italy; no idea if it was fitted in Italy or by the PO in Switzerland). But I'm in for a front and rear axle rebuild anyway (new diffs, new halfshafts, new everything), so it might be a sensible time to actually address the potentially

welds.

23rd Jan 2024 11:27am

JOW240725

Member Since: 04 May 2015
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 7906

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

Sawn, thank you for posting photos. I guess it happened at low speed? Interesting to see the failure and hope you get a replacement on JLR!

James
MY2012 110 2.2TDCi XS SW Orkney Grey - http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic43410.html
MY1990 110 200TDi SW beautifully faded Portofino Red - https://www.defender2.net/forum/post743641.html#743641
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23rd Jan 2024 1:15pm

Dinnu

Member Since: 24 Dec 2019
Location: Lija
Posts: 3422

pistonfields wrote:
Dinnu wrote:
So this is a case that failed after approx 12 years. Guess fatigue will start doing its work on the defective axles. Just a matter of time.

Is there a sensible way of fixing it? e.g. re-welding it or welding some sort of plate over it?

As Blackwolf said in his first 4 words of his reply.
Mind you, you do not necessarily need to have a Defender axle. There are a lot of 300tdi Discoveries with rotten boddies, but perfectly usable axle cases. Needs to be the 300 Discovery, as the earlier 200 Discoveries have narrower radius arms.
This is the route that I had planned, and got an axle case just waiting to get replaced (I am replacing the panhard rod brackets as post 2002 got different panhard rod brackets on the axle, but that is optional - as you can re size the 14mm to 16mm holes for that panhard bolt), but honestly, since I got the brackets installed, I am much more happier to drive the Defender, without the need to worry too much. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black

23rd Jan 2024 2:07pm

ickle

Member Since: 22 Jul 2010
Location: South Vendee
Posts: 1786

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Alpine White

On a serious note I expect JLR to try and refuse warranty / liability on Sawns 110 as it appears to have non standard wheels / tyres or spacers fitted which they may claim will have altered the design stresses on the axle.......

Also the non standard headlamps, indicators and side lights may have affected the aerodynamic coefficient of the cooling jet wobble force and led to the unscheduled disassembly of the component.....

Seeing the trouble one of the members has on here not being able to get the safety brackets fitted because the bolts are the 'wrong way round' I may not be far from the truth.

After several of these types of post SWMBO now knows why I wouldn't buy a Disco Sport but bought a 'yota instead

23rd Jan 2024 2:53pm

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