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Setok

Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 422

The BBC kind of speculates that the utility days will be over.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-35285258

25th Jan 2016 8:15pm

marksolesbury

Member Since: 04 Jun 2015
Location: Rushden
Posts: 8

Its a sad time to loose the iconic body styles. 1996 300tdi 90
Northants4x4.com admin.

25th Jan 2016 8:16pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS DCPU Keswick Green

Now it's going to be more affordable!

OK not a good source but apparent quotes from Gery McG:

EXPECT a new Defender in 2018 that's "more sophisticated" but just as capable.

Design chief Gerry McGovern said: "This car will look the b*******!

"I assure you. The absolute dog's b*******. You will look at it and say 'that's a modern-day Defender'.

"We've moved it on from the DC100 concept (above) and I think we've got something that's even more desirable - and affordable."

http://www.sunmotors.co.uk/news/whats-next...-defender/

29th Jan 2016 9:03am

Chrismcc

Member Since: 22 May 2013
Location: Bergen
Posts: 29

Certainly sounds exciting if true.

My anticipations are it could potentially look quite similar to the existing 'box' defender but with modern refinements as this suggests.

We know fundamentally that changes have to be made to meet modern safety standards, not just engine and emissions.

The separate steel chassis will go and make way for the Aluminium monocoque body / chassis arrangement which saves a load of weight bringing better fuel economy. Front and rear bumpers will (or cannot) be directly part of the chassis in the old defender sense, this is too rigid for modern safety standards and offers no crumple zone.

The front end grill / lights could of course take a new look to match the rest of the LR fleet.

I would guess all door closures (I mean the way a door seals) will also take a revamp and be more like a modern day vehicle which offers better rain / wind / dust closure.

Interior, I suspect will get a lavish upgrade and to keep the safety buffs on side there will be airbags aplenty. This is also one reason the old defender is not available in the U.S. because safety is not up to scratch and therefore a massive untapped market.

Also on the interior they might choose to address the issue lots of non defender lovers hate and that is space / width for the folk who are slightly bigger boned! The lack of elbow room is always something brought up while driving.
Will the vehicle itself be a tad wider? or will the storage box zone in the middle be slightly smaller (or a bit of both) allowing more comfort 'width' for the driver.

towing weight and off road capabilities do not change with this new monocoque chassis design. the new Discoveries can still pull 3500kg

suspension...?
will this go fully independent for a better on road ride quality (this will make it FAR more sellable) and on to air springs like the Discovery? The new Discoveries are still very capable off road and the LR terrain response is sure to be adopted with this. How about an 8 speed auto transmission...?

I don't see why all this new tech cannot be fitted into a similar ish flat sided defender. Of course the whole vehicle gets a revamp of body panel sizes / shapes etc will change but it could still have visible links back to its history.
I'd say the Mercedes G-Wagon is a pretty flat sided box too so its possible.

Just my pennies worth,

McC

29th Jan 2016 9:51am

Eduardo

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: RegiÃ³n Metropolitana
Posts: 2110

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

Re: Now it's going to be more affordable!

Supacat wrote:
OK not a good source but apparent quotes from Gery McG:

EXPECT a new Defender in 2018 that's "more sophisticated" but just as capable.

Design chief Gerry McGovern said: "This car will look the b*******!

"I assure you. The absolute dog's b*******. You will look at it and say 'that's a modern-day Defender'.

"We've moved it on from the DC100 concept (above) and I think we've got something that's even more desirable - and affordable."

http://www.sunmotors.co.uk/news/whats-next...-defender/

I like the last paragraph in the article

"Defenders are sprayed with 343 high-pressure water jets for 14 minutes to check for leaks in the Monsoon Chamber"

Eduardo

MY 2007 110 SW PUMA 2.4: Big Fog of 64'
MY 1994 Jayco 1207 Folding camper: "El Tremendo"

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29th Jan 2016 11:47am

Chrismcc

Member Since: 22 May 2013
Location: Bergen
Posts: 29

yep it leaks, carry on!

29th Jan 2016 12:00pm

familymad

Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
Posts: 3481

2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black

I am still impressed no magazine or motoring hack has gotten ANY shots of its replacement. The testing must be well underway for 2018 delivery? 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI

30th Jan 2016 10:27am

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4660

familymad wrote:
I am still impressed no magazine or motoring hack has gotten ANY shots of its replacement. The testing must be well underway for 2018 delivery?

Maybe they have seen it but don't recognise it as a Defender?
Think of the Discovery when it was launched and the model currently on sale today. Or indeed the Range Rover when launched and the current model. The replacement Defender will probably have as much in common with the present model as the aforementioned vehicles have with with their antecedents. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

31st Jan 2016 10:47pm

ROBBONTHEROCK

Member Since: 23 Jun 2014
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 637

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Firenze Red

I would imagine any testing will be on test mules.

Think Disco or range rover body shell running with defender mechanicals.

Just a guess, but would make some sense.

I would imagine body shell testing will be done very soon to official launch, this is a highly anticipated vehicle

Cheers
Andy

31st Jan 2016 11:40pm

JWL

Member Since: 26 Oct 2011
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3443

Good point ROBBONTHEROCK, you never know, all these pictures of these convertable Ewoks might actually be test mules for the new Defender 90. They're testing a basic model version that can have a full tilt put on later

I wonder if Exmoor Trim have had the dimensions yet to start cutting canvas for the roll up sides on the convertable Ewok yet?

31st Jan 2016 11:59pm

Enid_Puceflange

Member Since: 25 Oct 2014
Location: edinburgh
Posts: 1172

I hope so,

We are getting an Evoque Convertible delivered on the 5th Feb

My confidence has been writing cheques that my abilities can't cash for years.

1st Feb 2016 1:38am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17376

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

ROBBONTHEROCK wrote:
...
Think Disco or range rover body shell running with defender mechanicals.
...

You are assuming that there's a difference between New Defender running gear and Disco or RR. It could well be that there isn't.

Talk of mules amuses me, We all assume that there are no mules out there because no-one's indentified one. It seems to me that there's a possibility that they are out there but look so similar to the other bland and generic products in the line-up that no-one's noticed them or realised what they're seeing.

Time will tell.

1st Feb 2016 10:54am

Wild Card 90

Member Since: 03 Dec 2014
Location: Gerlingen
Posts: 1060

2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver

Judging by the DC100 proportions which were more upright than anything LR currently produces, we would recognise a disguised one if we saw one. They will definitely be using Discovery platforms to test drive trains for the new Defender, but will eventually have pre production bodies of the new vehicle to test. Two years before production is still early but during the course of this year we can expect to see something we recognise. In disguised form, the front end will look similar to others, but my guess is that the upright tailgate, relatively upright side glass and upright mirrors should give it away. I was openly critical to the LR staff at the Frankfurt Show when I first saw the concept. Not that an individual's opinion makes a difference, but there was a lot of criticism and I am sure they expected it anyway. I believe they have done their homework and will deliver an excellent Defender for the modern world. Twisted and co. Will rub their hands together and start creating the versions that are missing, and a new chapter begins...... 1998 Tdi 90 SW,
2008 Td4 90 SW,
2012 2.2 90 SW,
2" raised Trailmaster/Terrafirma
Heavy Track Raids, 255 MT´s,
Recaro CS´s, anorak, wellingtons

1st Feb 2016 11:45am

CR

Member Since: 28 Jan 2010
Location: Ireland
Posts: 947

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Santorini Black

I would think as soon as they shift all the existing defenders in the dealer network the leak photo will appear somewhere so the hype can begin in earnest:whistle:

1st Feb 2016 5:30pm

ken

Member Since: 18 Aug 2009
Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !!
Posts: 4328

Nah there will be no more Defender

The Defenders Dead Long live the Defender

1st Feb 2016 5:33pm

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