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Cheshire110



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Same reason LR stopping the defender. Neither come close to being saleable in Europe past 2016. Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #480172 8th Dec 2015 8:23am
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Matthias



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found this on facebook
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2019-lan...02638.html
Post #480725 9th Dec 2015 5:47pm
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Merlin



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In The Telegraph of Saturday 12dec15 there is an article that says that LR are going to build the new Defender in Slovakia in a new £1bn factory.

Merlin
Post #481771 13th Dec 2015 1:12pm
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YOLO110



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Interesting...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/de...y-for-2018

Aluminium chassis... perhaps a joint venture with Lotus!... new Defender Elise! YOLO... You Only Live Once...
Post #482334 15th Dec 2015 5:55am
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grizz



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I've been told by a very reliable source that it'll be built on a discovery chassis
Post #482344 15th Dec 2015 7:03am
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dnorrishill



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Quote:
I've been told by a very reliable source that it'll be built on a discovery chassis


My guess is that it would be the Disco 5 chassis (which will probably be based on new RR Sport), which means 2 things:

  • It will be an aluminium monocoque with no chassis and
  • It won't appear until after the new disco 2+ years from now.
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acuss01



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At the Bonham's auction chatted to a few JLR folk including their outside PR firm. They are all VERY confident we are going to like the new one. I know you might expect them to say that, but even the lower ranking folk and external partners are saying it, so I think we might be pleasantly surprised. Smile 2015 110 XS CSW Montalcino Red with Black Pack
Post #482962 16th Dec 2015 9:47pm
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Limey



Member Since: 18 Oct 2013
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X4SKP wrote:
I really want Mr McGovern to get the replacement Defender right, but to often when I read PR from the Land Rover Design Director, I come away with doubts, remembering those quotes that appear to show Land Rover would be happy to break the link with the best 4X4 by far...

'if we create a vehicle that is special and does resonate with people, they will forget what they had before.’

I would argue that you would want the exact opposite, you want New Defender owners to feel like they are driving in the tracks of all previous Defenders, that they are driving in the sum total of the experience and expertise over 70 years of doing things and going places others cant.

Maybe the challenge for Land Rover would be helped if we did all forget, but I doubt that's going to happen... Exclamation

Land Rover (Mr McGovern) will succeed if:
1. The New Defender corrects those annoying shortcomings of the current Defender.
Those issues that you and I set about correcting during ownership, those issues that if the evolution of the Defender had been constant and not intermittent we would have now, Land Rover have to take all these steps in one go.
2. The New Defender should present a 'platform' for all the various adaptions of its current markets together with creating new ones.
Land Rover and quality Independents should be able to take the New Defender in almost 'any' direction.
3. The New Defender should avoid being overly complicated, overly designed, difficult to service, with a high cost of ownership.
It should be accessible so interesting people do interesting things with it.

Overall Land Rover needs to drive the history of the Defender forward, not leave it at the roadside.

Hope all my fears are misplaced...



I know what you mean about reading his quotes, this was my 'favourite' from him;
After speaking with Gerry McGovern, Land Rover’s design director, McGovern said traditionalists won’t be happy with the new design, but “they’ll have to live with it.”
Post #483016 17th Dec 2015 8:24am
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NoDo$h



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I think traditionalist is a polite way of saying "people who have never bought a new Land Rover product in their life and probably never will". 

54 Freelander modded for mud
2008 D3 SE
2010 90 XS SW
1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner
2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone
2006 D3 SE - gone
2004 Freelander Sport - gay
1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits
Post #483135 17th Dec 2015 4:57pm
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Limey



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Okay, that's another way to interpret his words.

To my ears it seemed more like, 'If you've enjoyed and respected the gradual evolution of the iconic and eminently capable Defender, then this new one aint gonna be for you; and I couldn't care less because I think you should all be buying trendy and easier to build evoque type vehicles any way.'

Although I guess only he can know what he actually meant.
Post #483337 18th Dec 2015 12:36pm
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sib



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I have no doubt it will be very tough and very capable. I don't think they will get that wrong. It will also be more reliable and much better built. It can't be ergonomically worse and I feel what ever it looks like on the outside won't please everyone..what car does and it has to be more streamlined so the box is out. My worry is what the price will be starting at. I think the basic version should be £20k as a no frills spec. It should still include a cd and air on like every other car. Hopefully with a hose out interior. I hope the high spec ones don't cost more than £35k. With the rising costs of their other cars they are really narrowing their customer base in my view. I still think the disco should be available in a more entry spec at under £30k. But hey...they are a business after all. Sib
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Post #483391 18th Dec 2015 4:24pm
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LEZ



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I'm sure that LR have already stated that it will be positioned between the Discovery and Range Rover, therefore likely to cost much more than current Defenders.
Post #483396 18th Dec 2015 4:59pm
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sib



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Really ?
Surely it should be at the bottom of the pecking order now that Freelander has gone...? Bow down Sib
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JOW240725



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LEZ, that can't be right surely?!? Defender has always been below the Discovery and I can't why that would change? Surely the RRS is between the Discovery and RR? I would expect it to be priced similar to the Discovery Sport, but hopeless less.

I'm really looking forward to seeing it! Very Happy
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boode



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Quote from - http://www.worldcarfans.com/1151206101751/...ody-styles

The new Defenders will represent Land Rover’s mid-range offerings as the models will be positioned above the Discovery models, but below the luxurious Range Rovers. Although it will keep the rugged design, Land Rover wants to boost the model’s commercial success by not making it as hardcore as the outgoing model.

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