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67_6Cyl

Member Since: 10 Feb 2010
Location: France
Posts: 97

Help somebody has replaced my Puma with a poorly 2.25 diesel

Does anybody else have the following symptoms (07MY puma 2.4L, 60000kms):

Starting in the morning from cold (ie negative temperatures) I get a cloud of blue smoke and an engine that sounds like a poorly 2.25 SIII diesel after 400,000 miles. After 10 seconds the blue smoke stops, but the engine still rattles like a bag of nails.

Now, until the engine is hot (i mean the temp guage needle horizontal - normal running temp) I can't take the engine above 2000rpm without it sounding like a machine gun, and the engine trying to run away (accelerate out of control), certainly no turbo whine and seems to be low on power. Strangely, pressing the clutch stops this, and the symptoms go away when the engine is up to running temperature. However, it still appears to make more noise than before, although the power is there, and it seems to run OK. However the engine (Mis-)management warning light doesn't come on.

This has been a gradual change over the last 20000kms, but is starting to get annoying.

my local dealer came up with - no fault codes = no problem, which I am sure is a well known response

As I am starting to get a bit worried, any ideas would be appreciated, so I can point my dealer in the right direction?

For all those that read these posts and think.... with all these problems I will never by a defender, I would like to add that this is the first problem I have had with it, and would replace it with another without hesitation..... the whole family loves the beast (or Snotty as she is called)

10th Feb 2010 4:37pm

Grockle

Member Since: 24 Nov 2008
Location: Peak District National Park
Posts: 2266

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

could be the fuel pressure relief vave 2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up.

10th Feb 2010 4:56pm

MuddyMarky

Member Since: 01 Feb 2010
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 548

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Get back to the dealer and start stamping your feet! Being a 2007 its going to be out of warranty at some point this year.... you dont want them dragging their feet so it goes out of warranty and then ends up costing YOU to get it fixed.

Just my opinion

Mark
2011 110 XS DC
Stornoway Grey

10th Feb 2010 7:58pm

dm_td5

Member Since: 20 Jul 2008
Location: Arnhem Land
Posts: 609

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Zermatt Silver

Wasn't there a problem with the early 2007 engines and the oil circulation or something at startup. Get the dealer to go through the LR service bulletins. 110 2.4TDCi
110 300Tdi

LROCV ::: AULRO.com

10th Feb 2010 8:08pm

larofly

Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: In my Def
Posts: 2

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Bonatti Grey

Re: Help somebody has replaced my Puma with a poorly 2.25 di

This is what you after???

Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise.
Type: LD - Defender - All Years - Special Service Messages - Engine
Name / Part No: SSM38792
Info Type: Service Bulletins
Version No: 1
Date Uploaded: 21 Jul 2008
Models: LD - Defender
Title: 2.4 Puma Engine Knock Noise.
Last Modified: 21-JUL-2008 09:44
Category: Engine
Symptom: 497000 Engine Noise

Content Issue: Heavy audible knocking heard on start up.
Cause: On start up oil pressures can cause the piston cooling jets, (PCJ), to latch into a zero flow condition. Due to hysteresis effect in design the jets do not unlatch until the engine is warm and the oil pressures lower again. During this time with no pressurized oil jet flow to the lower pistons / cylinder bores, overheat and scuff conditions / damage can occur.

Action: Replace the engine assy but ensure only engines post serial # ELD00080707063602 are used.
This condition will not occur on vehicles post assured Vin# 9A767162.
Engines post the info above are fitted with modified PCJ internal springs and this issue is now closed.

67_6Cyl wrote:
Does anybody else have the following symptoms (07MY puma 2.4L, 60000kms):

Starting in the morning from cold (ie negative temperatures) I get a cloud of blue smoke and an engine that sounds like a poorly 2.25 SIII diesel after 400,000 miles. After 10 seconds the blue smoke stops, but the engine still rattles like a bag of nails.

Now, until the engine is hot (i mean the temp guage needle horizontal - normal running temp) I can't take the engine above 2000rpm without it sounding like a machine gun, and the engine trying to run away (accelerate out of control), certainly no turbo whine and seems to be low on power. Strangely, pressing the clutch stops this, and the symptoms go away when the engine is up to running temperature. However, it still appears to make more noise than before, although the power is there, and it seems to run OK. However the engine (Mis-)management warning light doesn't come on.

This has been a gradual change over the last 20000kms, but is starting to get annoying.

my local dealer came up with - no fault codes = no problem, which I am sure is a well known response

As I am starting to get a bit worried, any ideas would be appreciated, so I can point my dealer in the right direction?

For all those that read these posts and think.... with all these problems I will never by a defender, I would like to add that this is the first problem I have had with it, and would replace it with another without hesitation..... the whole family loves the beast (or Snotty as she is called)

12th Feb 2010 9:39pm

totoD110

Member Since: 26 Nov 2008
Location: Manila, Philippines
Posts: 86

im maybe developing this kind of sound during morning start ups. its a strange sound just like a metal to metal sound. i just clock 20T kms already. could this be the start?my plate is A751817

2nd Mar 2010 9:36am

larofly

Member Since: 03 Jan 2008
Location: In my Def
Posts: 2

Yes back to your dealer and tell him about your worry`s. And after Thad tell him about this.

Special Service Messages - Engine
Name / Part No: SSM38792

2nd Mar 2010 10:21am

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

Check that there is no water in your fuel filter

2nd Mar 2010 10:31am

carlostama

Member Since: 28 Oct 2009
Location: Panama City
Posts: 6

Hi everibody, i had the same problem 2 months ago. It was solve before big figth with the dealers.

The solutions was to change the EGR valvle N° part: LR006650.

The def is now like a new one.

Sorry for my english and nice to meet all of you.

2nd Mar 2010 8:27pm

fekete

Member Since: 24 Dec 2008
Location: Here on the other end of the computer
Posts: 3626

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Bonatti Grey

Hi and welcome nice truck you have

NEVER TAKE LIFE SERIOUSLY. NOBODY GETS OUT ALIVE ANYWAY

2nd Mar 2010 8:41pm

roel

Member Since: 08 Aug 2009
Location: Lelystad
Posts: 2039

I have a good running 1984 2.5 l n.a. diesel lying around, I don't mind swapping it for your poorly running 2.25

Roel

1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001)
1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009)
2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts.
2003 90 Td5 (2009-now)

3rd Mar 2010 7:34am

maggieforrest

Member Since: 22 Apr 2010
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 8

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS DCPU Santorini Black

Re: Help somebody has replaced my Puma with a poorly 2.25 di

67_6Cyl wrote:
Does anybody else have the following symptoms (07MY puma 2.4L, 60000kms):

Starting in the morning from cold (ie negative temperatures) I get a cloud of blue smoke and an engine that sounds like a poorly 2.25 SIII diesel after 400,000 miles. After 10 seconds the blue smoke stops, but the engine still rattles like a bag of nails.

Now, until the engine is hot (i mean the temp guage needle horizontal - normal running temp) I can't take the engine above 2000rpm without it sounding like a machine gun, and the engine trying to run away (accelerate out of control), certainly no turbo whine and seems to be low on power. Strangely, pressing the clutch stops this, and the symptoms go away when the engine is up to running temperature. However, it still appears to make more noise than before, although the power is there, and it seems to run OK. However the engine (Mis-)management warning light doesn't come on.

This has been a gradual change over the last 20000kms, but is starting to get annoying.

my local dealer came up with - no fault codes = no problem, which I am sure is a well known response

As I am starting to get a bit worried, any ideas would be appreciated, so I can point my dealer in the right direction?

For all those that read these posts and think.... with all these problems I will never by a defender, I would like to add that this is the first problem I have had with it, and would replace it with another without hesitation..... the whole family loves the beast (or Snotty as she is called)

Just been complaining about a very similar problem a few weeks ago here with mine. Just got it back after a month diagnosing at a local diesel specialist. Problem found eventually to be injector number 3, however, the other 3 will probably need changing before the year is out. An ouch at £208 per injector, plus diagnosing, ECU remapping etc. But at least I have a car back.

Was told 'it could be dodgy fuel causing the injectors to wear somewhat quicker' My car is now at 175000 miles. Very low.

18th May 2010 4:07pm

jlerra

Member Since: 10 Jul 2009
Location: Gibraltar/London
Posts: 149

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black

Rough running 2.4

Hi,
I've had a similar problem on starting once on my way from Spain to UK. The fault was water in the fuel. I stopped a couple of Kms to fill the tank up and the fuel must have been contaminated with water.
Cure - I refilled the tank at the earliest possible opportunity in another petrol station and darined the fuel filter.
Voila - No Problems since.
PS: Those bloody rascals of Spanish petrol pumps trying to make extra money by adding water to Diesel!!
joe
'El Pepe Flamenco' JLS
'El Pepe Flamenco'

18th May 2010 4:39pm

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