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CarlS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Probably near you
Posts: 148

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

MY15 110 Brake Issues

I'm just wandering if anyone has/is suffering with the following issues in their 2015 Defender?

I've done just over 5000 miles in mine now (it's already had a new clutch) & I've been suffering with the brakes screeching very loudly when coming to a stop below 10mph, it' a nightmare driving through cities

The problem problem pretty much started when driving the car home from the dealer for the first time, the car had that hot smell about it, I put that down to the newness. Under 1000 miles in & the brakes were screeching, I took it back to the dealer and they cleaned the brakes, no explanation as to why they needed cleaning so soon. It did stop the screeching for a bit but not for long, the car did a few thousand miles around the Alps before I managed to get back to the dealer again with this screeching issue. Again they said the brakes needed cleaning & again no reason for it, the brakes stopped screeching for a bit & guess what they're screeching again

Another issue I'm having, this one is the more concerning one, is that the ABS/TC is temporally engaging randomly whilst driving. I was accelerating on to the M6 up a slip road & it cut in, slowing me down.......not good, it also cuts in while driving around the local roads. I'm presuming it's the ABS/TC & not the DSC because the DSC light is not illuminating on the dash, I can also hear & feel the brake pedal rattle as if the TC is kicking in whilst driving along. To go with this the wheels are getting absolutely covered in brake dust! I did report this problem to the dealer last time it went in, they said that they'd "plugged it in" & didn't find anything.

The next step for me is to get the Land Rover mechanic in for a road test. The spawn of AndrewS

2016 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon (Built on the last day, 59 from the end) - Dead
2016 Mini Countryman Cooper S All 4
2019 BMW R1200 GSA Rallye Sport

13th Aug 2015 8:06am

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

trouble with abs cutting in isn't seen as a fault by the control unit , so no fault codes will be logged

the abs unit is seeing different wheel speeds , so its a fault with one etc sensors maybe losing its reading

really it would need driving with wheel speeds monitoring while driving and see when it happens what speed readings you get at the time from each wheel

13th Aug 2015 8:19am

CarlS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Probably near you
Posts: 148

Thanks munch90,

I'm hoping the LR mechanic will have a wheel speed monitoring system he can plug in on the road test. Wheel speed sensor fault hopefully......... The spawn of AndrewS

2016 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon (Built on the last day, 59 from the end) - Dead
2016 Mini Countryman Cooper S All 4
2019 BMW R1200 GSA Rallye Sport

13th Aug 2015 8:39am

Devon-Rover

Member Since: 22 Jan 2015
Location: South Devon
Posts: 913

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Aintree Green

To get really technical it should be possible to Plug in an Oscilloscope capable device. e.g. Snapon Versus and then on probe each wheel sensor and see the read out. you should see a uniform pattern as the sensor goes past the ridges on the ABS ring.

13th Aug 2015 2:15pm

Sphere

Member Since: 26 Apr 2013
Location: Midlands
Posts: 725

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Keswick Green

I have the same issue with screeching brakes. Been back to the dealer once and about to call them up again. Mine has done just over 4k now and been in twice under warranty. No issues with abs yet though

13th Aug 2015 7:28pm

Angus_Beef

Member Since: 30 Apr 2015
Location: Oslo
Posts: 434

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Corris Grey

My '15 110 has about 4300 miles (just under 7000 km) on it and has the same squeeling brakes. no issues with ABS/TC/LMNOP

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19th Aug 2015 3:29pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

I wonder if LR have changed their brake pad supplier? I recently fitted new front OEM LR boxed pads and they started to squeal after a couple of hundred miles? The back of the pads also got a liberal coat of copper slip as did the piston fronts. As the op pointed out it only occurs below 10 mph which is annoying when driving around town. I think I will try a set of mintex pads and see how they go.

The ABS issue could be down to a sensor not being seated properly or a fault on the loom to the sensor. As it is so new get LR to fix it asap as the last thing you want is a single wheel braking at 70 mph especially if the fault is on the front axle.

Plugging in a diagnostic tool will give live data to what is activating the ABS and if it is a wheel speed sensor you know we're to start. The below screenshot is of the Wabco D ABS unit fitted to my 2009 defender. This is not the type fitted to yours but gives you an idea of the available live data.

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19th Aug 2015 3:58pm

AndrewS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Hereford
Posts: 3707

2013 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 SW Rimini Red

Giving an up-date on Carl's behalf.

It would appear that the front brakes randomly apply themselves individually or both together. This can be felt through the steering wheel as the car pulls in the direction of the braking wheel. As you can imagine this is quite unnerving and very dangerous.
Our dealer plugged their Land Rover lap top into the truck and went for a test drive, the braking issue was witnessed by the tecky and recorded, the data capture files have been sent to Land Rover.

Yesterday whilst on a run to Hereford the front OS brake applied its self causing the vehicle to pull towards on-coming traffic, fortunately without consequence.
Carl has now refused to drive the truck and its being recovered today to our preferred dealer. Coincidently as the arrangements were being made to recover the truck Land Rover responded to the data files they were sent. They requested that the vehicle is returned to the dealer to carry out further tests. 130's have feeling's as well you know

20th Aug 2015 8:12am

Happyoldgit

Member Since: 14 Sep 2007
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 3471

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey

That is a very worrying, and potentially lethal fault

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20th Aug 2015 10:16am

PAT303

Member Since: 25 Feb 2013
Location: Australia
Posts: 125

1998 Defender 110 300 Tdi SW Alpine White

We had a member on AULRO with the same issue,it was the brake peddle switch. Pat

20th Aug 2015 1:59pm

ken

Member Since: 18 Aug 2009
Location: Banging Birds with my bitches !!
Posts: 4328

Faulty steering angle sensor is where i'd put money on

20th Aug 2015 4:32pm

Gonarezhou

Member Since: 08 Mar 2015
Location: White River
Posts: 178

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Alaska White

This has happened on mine but only at very low speed...like pulling out of a parking bay. Dealership has replaced the sensor - but the event was so random that it will take time to see if this was the problem. Also no fault codes.

20th Aug 2015 4:39pm

CarlS

Member Since: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Probably near you
Posts: 148

AndrewS wrote:
Giving an up-date on Carl's behalf.

It would appear that the front brakes randomly apply themselves individually or both together. This can be felt through the steering wheel as the car pulls in the direction of the braking wheel. As you can imagine this is quite unnerving and very dangerous.
Our dealer plugged their Land Rover lap top into the truck and went for a test drive, the braking issue was witnessed by the tecky and recorded, the data capture files have been sent to Land Rover.

Yesterday whilst on a run to Hereford the front OS brake applied its self causing the vehicle to pull towards on-coming traffic, fortunately without consequence.
Carl has now refused to drive the truck and its being recovered today to our preferred dealer. Coincidently as the arrangements were being made to recover the truck Land Rover responded to the data files they were sent. They requested that the vehicle is returned to the dealer to carry out further tests.

Thanks AndrewS

So whilst the Defender is in, Land Rover have given me a Discovery Sport..................

The spawn of AndrewS

2016 Defender 110 XS Station Wagon (Built on the last day, 59 from the end) - Dead
2016 Mini Countryman Cooper S All 4
2019 BMW R1200 GSA Rallye Sport

21st Aug 2015 10:00am

CRC@LandRover
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Member Since: 25 Mar 2013
Location: Coventry
Posts: 383

Hi CarlS

Thank you for your post.

I am sorry to learn that you have been experiencing concerns with your vehicle at such an early stage in your ownership, please accept my apologies for any inconvenience and frustration that may have been caused.

I note that you may have already sought assistance from your local retailer regarding your concerns and hope that they have been able to address your concerns to your satisfaction.

However, should you require any additional assistance, please feel free to send me a PM with your details and I will be happy to help.

Regards

Ryan

25th Aug 2015 8:13am

noriega

Member Since: 15 Apr 2015
Location: Lugano
Posts: 7

Got similar issues; the brakes are squeeling on my new MY 15 (5000km) Defender when going slow; further the ESP is cutting in very early when doing tight turns. Switching it off changes nothing, it still breaks the car at the same speeds when doing the same corner. Don't know if the issues are related. Dealer days that's normal... very annoying.
Cheers, mike

25th Aug 2015 9:21am

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