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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
thats why they send customers to experience centres! Shocked Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
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Post #970388 8th Nov 2022 12:33pm
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geobloke



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lord-haggis wrote:
Most Uk dealers won’t have a clue about mud and snow to begin with given how few people here consider even running winter tyres.


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Beggars belief really. I don't honestly think anyone who runs summer tyres in winter should be allowed to claim on their insurance:

"I can't understand it, I was driving down the road and suddenly I was in a hedge/ditch. What on Earth are the councils playing at..."

Anyway... Rolling Eyes
Post #970389 8th Nov 2022 12:40pm
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kenzle8a



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I still get odd comments that i have winters for all our cars. Although my wife’s Skoda runs it’s all year, good year vector all seasons, bloody brilliant tyres.
Post #970439 8th Nov 2022 9:23pm
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Sepp



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J77 wrote:
All Defenders come with All Season tyres as standard, ...


No, they don't.
My came with Michelin Latitude Tour HP that is not All Season.
Post #970465 9th Nov 2022 10:09am
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Sepp



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Re: 19 inch Wheels - badly advised - well, not advised at al
steam_simon wrote:
I've ordered a Defender 110 250D with the 19 inch tyres, believing this would give a better ride. I told the salesperson that we will use it to go to France a lot including the Alps for skiing.

I've now discovered that 19 inch wheel (165/55/ R19) tyres are very limited for Winter/All weather with the appropriate markings. The OE tyres appear not to be M&S or Snowflake marked (getting this checked), and chains not available. But why fit chains (unless it's sheet ice) - I'm buying it to do what a Defender should do!

In France it is now the law that tyres in the Alpine regions must have the M&S or snowflake (3PMSF) markings.

I've written to the dealership but this is a deal-breaker for me. Should the dealership have advised me about the wheel-size? My view is they should. In any event I need 20 inch wheels now given the circumstances.

Help!


Your tire size seems a bit odd to me.

255/65 R19 is the tire size on my winter wheels. Running Continental WinterContact TS 850P with Alpine symbol. Very good snow performance.
Post #970467 9th Nov 2022 10:17am
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J77



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Sepp wrote:
J77 wrote:
All Defenders come with All Season tyres as standard, ...


No, they don't.
My came with Michelin Latitude Tour HP that is not All Season.


According to the UK configurator they do 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
Post #970487 9th Nov 2022 1:13pm
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Birdy



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"My came with Michelin Latitude Tour HP that is not All Season"

Still some confusion between "M + S" and "3 Peaks", I feel. Surely the Michelin Latitude Tour HP is "M + S" so can be considered adequate for Winter/All Season.

However, it's only "3 Peaks" tyres that will be legal in certain areas from 2024 and boy, what a price difference there seems to be!. If conditions are that bad I probably won't be driving anyway, but like some other posters I'll carry some chains in case I'm caught out...

Peter
Post #970511 9th Nov 2022 3:18pm
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mbso



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Hi guys…Someone from the north Europe (Finland or Sweden) said:
“AllSeason are No season”

In my very humbled opinion,
In winter if you came in alps or you drive in north regions is better ride with winter tyres,
Especially with snow … Very Happy DISCOVERY 4 2013
VOLVO XC90 2017
MY23.5 110 D250 SE in Santorini Black

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Post #970572 9th Nov 2022 10:54pm
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Sepp



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J77 wrote:
Sepp wrote:
J77 wrote:
All Defenders come with All Season tyres as standard, ...


No, they don't.
My came with Michelin Latitude Tour HP that is not All Season.


According to the UK configurator they do


And not all Defenders are sold in UK.

Believe or not, UK ist not all of the world.
In fact it's a 0,16% of the land area worldwide.
Rolling with laughter
Post #970726 11th Nov 2022 8:18am
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geobloke



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Absolute rubbish Sepp Rolling with laughter

You can quite clearly see from the below image that the UK is the centre of the World...



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Post #970734 11th Nov 2022 9:49am
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J77



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Sepp wrote:
J77 wrote:
Sepp wrote:
J77 wrote:
All Defenders come with All Season tyres as standard, ...


No, they don't.
My came with Michelin Latitude Tour HP that is not All Season.


According to the UK configurator they do


And not all Defenders are sold in UK.

Believe or not, UK ist not all of the world.
In fact it's a 0,16% of the land area worldwide.
Rolling with laughter


Yes but the OP is! No point giving information on German vehicles 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
Post #970749 11th Nov 2022 12:01pm
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XplusYplusZ



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It appears continental might have a solution:
[url] https://www.continental-tyres.co.uk/b2c/ca...0000[/url]



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Post #971173 14th Nov 2022 10:07pm
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BigMike



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I also get odd comments about running winter tyres in winter. People say "but it hardly ever snows, what's the point", so you try to help them by explaining how winter tyres "work" but they just dont get it. I have a set of Nokian winter SUV on my RR Sport and they are spectacular in terms of grip, and stunning in heavy rain, standing water etc.
Post #971217 15th Nov 2022 1:11pm
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XplusYplusZ



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm98DrOgSmc
Winter vs. Summer tyres..
Post #971445 17th Nov 2022 3:41pm
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