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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2641   
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It’s was only a few years ago that consumers of Evoque and Discovery Sports were asked on the day of collection to sign a form to say that when oil dilution occurs it’s not Land Rovers fault but that of the consumer and how they drive, therefore the dealer will charge for additional oil changes……..even if they have the five year service plan….
My wife changes cars every three to four years for new or nearly new and not once have we seen a Land Rover sales person that has worked in a dealership for more than a year. This year alone the three sale people from three different dealerships have all been ex BMW. None of them had even been to any of the LRE sites. In a nut shell, you, the consumer has to do your own research and then let them earn their commission. |
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5th Nov 2022 12:11pm |
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| nowrxo Member Since: 10 Sep 2015 Location: None Posts: 79 
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Are you sure that's the correct tyre size? LR lists 255/65/R19s as suitable for winter use on a 19" wheel:
https://www.ownerinfo.landrover.com/docume...c/G2902117 Looking at the specific tyre they recommend - Continental TS850P SUV, it does have M+S markings: https://www.mytyres.co.uk/rshop/tyre/Conti...V/R-375120 I wouldn't expect a car to come with winter tyres, even a 4x4 like a Defender. You'll get summers or all-seasons at best. The fact that LR list specific winter tyres suggests to me that they think you should have an additional set of wheels and tyres for situations like yours, where they require specific types of tyres. As for the dealership advising you, I always assume they know the bare minimum and that if I want to do something out of the ordinary, I need to do my own research to satisfy myself that the car is suitable. Did you specifically ask them if the 19"s are suitable for areas where M+S/snowflake tyres are mandatory? If you did and they said "yes", and the tyres later turn out to be not suitable, then it could be grounds for misrepresentation if that (false) statement induced you into signing the contract for sale. If you just mentioned it in passing, then I'm not sure there's much you can do. |
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5th Nov 2022 12:27pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3399 
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All Defenders come with All Season tyres as standard, there is the option to have factory fit all terrains, or your choice of aftermarket tyres.
Not the clearest photo but standard tyre on mine and it’s marked M+S (20 inch)  Click image to enlarge 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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5th Nov 2022 12:39pm |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074
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Mud and Snow M+S isn’t accepted in the alps, it needs to be 3 Peaks marked.
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5th Nov 2022 1:23pm |
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| Birdy Member Since: 07 Oct 2011 Location: Côte d'Azur Posts: 866  
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"Mud and Snow M+S isn’t accepted in the alps, it needs to be 3 Peaks marked"
Source? My understanding was that M+S (only) was acceptable until 2024, when 3 Peaks DOES become mandatory... Peter |
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5th Nov 2022 2:57pm |
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| steam_simon Member Since: 24 Sep 2022 Location: London Posts: 88
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That is my understanding too.
FWIW I would prefer the option to have "All Season" tyres marked with the M&S/3PMSF marking (rather than swapping between Summer and Winter. These do not appear to be available in the 19 inch tyres - hence the concern with this size. |
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5th Nov 2022 3:05pm |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074
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I'd always been told I needed 3 Peak Marked tyres for diving in France and Switzerland in the alps in the winter. I've not driven out for a few years but I was always under the impression I needed 3 Peaks and chains, given how bad the snow was when I crossed the Brenner Pass in 2012 I was glad I had both. |
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5th Nov 2022 4:37pm |
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| Nuclear Nick Member Since: 21 Aug 2021 Location: Southwest Posts: 284 
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5th Nov 2022 8:54pm |
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| snowtiger Member Since: 06 Oct 2022 Location: Bavaria Posts: 29 
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At least in Germany, M+S is only acceptable until 2024 if the tyre was produced before 2018. Quick research showed, France and Switzerland do not have any consistent M+S/3PMSF rules for their countries. |
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6th Nov 2022 8:46am |
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| Nuclear Nick Member Since: 21 Aug 2021 Location: Southwest Posts: 284
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Except for what I just posted!
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6th Nov 2022 9:46am |
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| XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 488 |
Not particularly helpful for the exact issue, but my 18 Goodyear Wrangler "All-Terrain" are only M+S rated. No peaks or Snowflakes visible.
Click image to enlarge It looks like you can get Goodyear DuraTracs for 255/65/R19 size. They are 3 peak rated for other sizes. But it's unclear if they're 3 peak rated for R19s.. |
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7th Nov 2022 2:04pm |
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| XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 488 |
Sounds like carrying a pair of snow chains is the cheapest solution. Pop them in with your breathaliser test and your gilet jaunes. |
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7th Nov 2022 3:07pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8044 
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Exactly why I run bfg ats.
Not sure you can blame the dealer that you choose the wrong tyres and rims. A quick Google would show what tyre options there are for what rims. Prior to spending my money I do my research from multiple sources. Dealer won't know answer to all your specific needs. It does fall to buyer to make own decision. Why do we all generically look to blame someone else. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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7th Nov 2022 5:29pm |
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| kenzle8a Member Since: 12 Feb 2020 Location: None Posts: 1074
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Most Uk dealers won’t have a clue about mud and snow to begin with given how few people here consider even running winter tyres.
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7th Nov 2022 5:58pm |
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