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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3414   
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https://car-recalls.eu/recall/land-rover-d...ding-axle/
Here it mentions: 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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26th Oct 2022 7:17pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2000 
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How confident are you in the accuracy of the vin ranges Will, as I went on your site, did a VIN decode, and my 2013 2.2 falls 4 days after the later date shown in the EU notice, and a few hundred after the vin ranges you quote on here. I wonder what info was used to define those cut off dates.Hence I don’t know if I should be pleased or concerned at this stage !! PS, LR workshop is a great site, I’m always on there searching and finding the info I’m after.  |
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26th Oct 2022 7:24pm |
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| piechipsandpeas Member Since: 12 May 2021 Location: Albany, Western Australia Posts: 209  
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I'm in a similar position Ian. Mine shows a build date of August 2013 on LR Workshop. What happened after 15th July that axles installed in cars built after this date aren't considered defective?
Also if the axle casing is considered defective in material and design (as per the French insurer and LR Engineers quotes) and not just the sub-standard welding then would this not also include rear axles? |
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27th Oct 2022 1:39am |
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| Payney1000 Member Since: 16 Feb 2022 Location: Brittany Posts: 24  
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Hi Guys,
Sorry if this has added more hassle to your vehicles. But trust me you don't want it happing to yourselves or your family when your driving it. The recall was the result of my Accident here in France. Landrover have been playing some very nasty games with me and my insurance company over my accident. So I got a expert accident investigator involved and had the axle removed and x-rayed plus all the metal tests I could do at the labs were I work (European space agency) The report was sent to the France government, Lets put it this way it was damming really bad. The casing is not up to European safety standards. They have know this for years and hiding it from us all and governments. The brackets that was tested in the Lab are just a joke they lasted less than 8 sec at driving at 60 miles a hour in the test frame. All I can say is complain complain to landrover using this order. Remember all these vehicle are licensed under EU standards so the UK will fall under this too. DVSA are aware of this lets see what they do now. I would not even just except the age groups or Vin numbers, Landrover system for tracking these axles is just a dream !!!!!! they could not provide to my lawyers the day manufactured when was it inspected, How long had it being siting in a warehouse etc. No records even if your year group is not on here i would be kicking off still. Its Landrover job to prove to you as the owner that your axle is safe. You need to ask for the prove. ( They don't have any prove no records kept) My fight goes on with this its now in the hands of the lawyers. Enjoy but don t let these  win 
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27th Oct 2022 12:48pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4660 
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Everyone here owes you a big "Thank You" for what you have achieved. It cannot have been easy but you had the determination to persevere. Now that the EU has come out on your (our) side I thought that Land Rover would have to resolve the issue but reading your post the impression I get is that the struggle is anything but over. Any how we, due to your efforts are a lot further along than we ever thought we would be. Once again a big "THANK YOU" for your efforts and we will see how things progress from here.
1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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27th Oct 2022 3:36pm |
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| Payney1000 Member Since: 16 Feb 2022 Location: Brittany Posts: 24
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Spudfan, thank you mate 😊🙏
Even with all this and all the evidence Landrover are still saying their is no problem with the axle in my legal case 😳 But I think now the is starting to hit the fan at Hq JLR.
Keep you posted |
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27th Oct 2022 4:13pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17380 
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I can only imagine the amount of noise all those shredders are making at JLR HQ as they put more effort into engineering plausible deniability than they did into engineering the front axle.
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27th Oct 2022 4:53pm |
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| pat_eg Member Since: 25 Oct 2022 Location: Geraldton Posts: 6
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Thanks pieschipsandpees, I've tried Landrover Australia and got a standard reply because of the technical nature of the query I need to take my car to an authorised mechanic. I've replied my vehicle is with an authorised mechanic and the instruction is not to drive the vehicle. I've questioned if the P048 bracket is a satisfactory solution why is my vehicle now rendered unsafe to drive? No response for several days.
Anyhow, I contacted the regulatory body responsible for safety recalls in Australia and the response has been timely and positive. Fingers crossed I can get the car back on the road asap and all associated vehicles get an adequate solution. Realistically the only safe solution is to replace all the Axel casins in the production period. Thanks everyone for their contributions. Patrick Egerton-Green |
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28th Oct 2022 9:59pm |
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| Tardis Member Since: 24 Nov 2017 Location: Hannover Posts: 22  
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You mean the LR068818 and LR068822 brackets? That's kind of disillusioning. I had still bookmarked those part numbers to buy and install them on some future day (2010 ninety here with friction welds). 8 seconds at 100km/h sounds pretty ridiculous in terms of safety gains, especially when a normal reaction to some front axle mishap would be hard braking, resulting in even more stress forces on that particular axle region. |
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29th Oct 2022 6:19pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4660
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I presume using the factory supplied bottle jack under the front axle is a no no... 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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29th Oct 2022 7:26pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17380
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A trolley jack under the diff probably loads the axle more.
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29th Oct 2022 8:03pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3414
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I am curious how the ‘brackets’ designed to catch the hub, incase of a weld fail, have failed.
Although I have never seen the brackets first hand, I do think that they are cast, not forged. Flaw #1. They are also attached to the radius arm brackets, which primarily are designed to take forced along the vehicle length, and not lateral. Flaw #2 Granted, there is the panhard rod bracket on the inner side of the radius arm bracket. But I also have a Discovery axle tube and the area around the panhard rod is littered with cracks. But the friction welds on the swivel flanges are perfect. Mind that LandRover also employed some more value engineering in the radius arm brackets, when they omitted the welded in washers that substantiate the area around where the radius arm bolts fit. I really wonder if they ever employed a finite element analysis on these brackets and radius arm brackets in case the welds fail. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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30th Oct 2022 7:00am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17380
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I wonder if the brackets which failed were the mounting brackets not the catch brackets. Payney1000's report does case doubt on the adequacy of the axle as a whole.
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30th Oct 2022 8:30am |
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| Payney1000 Member Since: 16 Feb 2022 Location: Brittany Posts: 24
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Dinnu,
The test done showed that due to weight and other factors like braking force, time to pull from a fast lane of traffic to a hard shoulder, max weight towing as this would also put more force on the front axle while braking etc It was a bodge job !!The result from the report said it was like sticking Plasterboard on a crack in a dam. The findings was clear no bracket should be needed if the product was up to set standards for the vehicle and the condition it would be used in as well as its capacity tow weighing from the start. They also was correct in saying if the axle snaps and the bracket hold it until you can stop. The cost to replace the faulty axle would be onto the customer as well as any other damages caused due to the short period that the bracket held. It was highlighted that no one goes out and purchases a faulty product from the start. This is not a wear and tear item, and yes if it was corrosion after a period of time out of warranty it would be the customer to replace, just like when the frame needs replaced at some point in its life. But clearly landrover carried on selling vehicles with a knowing safety fault. They also took the massive risk with every owner not to recall all vehicles to save money, this is not right and it breaks so many EU rules regarding safety of equipment. The report I read states as the axle is an integral part of the vehicle structure and control system that no short cuts should have ever been taken. They should have replaced the faulty axles from the start. Even if it means they needed to redesign the front axle. So here we all are with vehicles that we don’t know if it will snap or not !! The signs are not always clear very lucky if it happens on your drive way parked up( which shows how weak it is if the vehicle cannot hold its own weight) As for me which was pointed out on my case the under seal held better than the axle. The bracket is a mental fix not really fixing the problem. Remember you always have to go to the point of the most inexperienced person using the vehicle when it happens. If it snapped with the bracket my wife would think she had just driven in a pothole for a few seconds that’s seconds less before the wheel disappears across the road. As my lawyer stated would you go on a plane if you could see the wing had cable ties on it just in case the wing strut snapped !! Clearly he is right there is no difference. Safety first cost later !!! Other way around for JLR 😳 |
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30th Oct 2022 9:06am |
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