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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
New rear door prep
Finally got time to start doing work on the replacement door for the rear of the 110.

Started off getting the fixing strips for the window lined up and holes drilled.
I purchased new fixing strips, screws and glass.


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Then onto drilling the holes to take the 6 bolt wheel carrier. Drilled to 10mm with a step drill and the edges smoothed off.


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I then drilled out a few holes that a little bit of galv around the edge i.e door lock screw/bolt holes

Door card next. The original door card on the 110 has lost its fittings over the years and only really held in place by luck and few screws/bolts. Mainly the interior handle and few screws above the lock.


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Naked door

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The circled holes are the current fixings and also the door catch mechanism which is not present on the new door

I have to drill the holes to take the angled bracket that turns on/off the interior light

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and the other thing to sort is the rear door stay mechanism - I am open to suggestions on this.
Old door catch


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Test fit of the door card


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I think I am going to use screws and screw the door card to the door frame. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #968379 20th Oct 2022 7:38am
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LandRoverAnorak



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How are you fixing the newer wheel carrier, John. It looks like the holes are just through the door skin? Darren

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Post #968384 20th Oct 2022 7:52am
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Dinnu



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Nice work.

excossack wrote:
and the other thing to sort is the rear door stay mechanism - I am open to suggestions on this.


What do you have on the new door?

At the bottom my old door cards I had dry wall screws. They go through the steel without the need for drilling. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #968385 20th Oct 2022 7:53am
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geobloke



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Good effort John Thumbs Up I have four doors painted up for Miffy. Do fancy doing those as well Rolling with laughter
Post #968387 20th Oct 2022 7:56am
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excossack



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LandRoverAnorak wrote:
How are you fixing the newer wheel carrier, John. It looks like the holes are just through the door skin?


There is a reinforcing plate at the rear


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I was thinking of an additional plate across the back as well 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #968390 20th Oct 2022 8:06am
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Dinnu wrote:
Nice work.

excossack wrote:
and the other thing to sort is the rear door stay mechanism - I am open to suggestions on this.


What do you have on the new door?

At the bottom my old door cards I had dry wall screws. They go through the steel without the need for drilling.


This is what I have


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 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #968391 20th Oct 2022 8:07am
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
geobloke wrote:
Good effort John Thumbs Up I have four doors painted up for Miffy. Do fancy doing those as well Rolling with laughter


Cheers. It was over a couple of nights after work. I can pop down and lend a hand if you want. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #968393 20th Oct 2022 8:09am
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Dinnu



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excossack wrote:


This is what I have


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Sorry no ideas here other than perhaps go to one of the aftermarket gas struts. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #968396 20th Oct 2022 8:40am
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donmacn



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I can say that the Nakatanenga upper gas strut is a nice piece of kit. I'm happy with it after maybe 2 years.

On the other question about drilling holes/using screws to hold things in place, can I put in a vote for using rivnuts. This is what I did when I built up my rear door - and once you start using them, you see other uses all over the place. If you're drilling a hole in a galvanised door for a screw, you might as well drill a slightly bigger one for a rivnut. You can get stainless ones, and I've used M4 or M5 in the doors.

I think I've used a company called rivetwise a few times, and a hand-grip setting tool isn't too expensive. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #968399 20th Oct 2022 9:11am
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donmacn



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excossack wrote:


There is a reinforcing plate at the rear


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I was thinking of an additional plate across the back as well


In the end, I went for a chassis mounted wheel carrier - got a good price on a used one on here. Prior to that coming up I was considering something else to strengthen the door/carry the load of the wheel, as it has certainly destroyed the old door.

I had always planned to use a chequer plate rear door lining - the old card one was U/S - so my thinking was:

Fit the carrier to the door with longer bolts;
Put a nut and large washer onto this bolt against the inside of the door skin;
Then, fit a "spacer" to take up the gap between the outer skin and the chequer plate inner cover (I had in mind some structural nylon or delrin thick walled tube, cut to length x 6);
Mount the chequer plate (with the carrier bolts protruding);
Then put another nut onto the bolt and tighten that up against the chequer plate/spacer.
Once you've got the required length of the carrier bolt, you could cut it down and use a 'cap nut' - so avoiding a nut/thread catching clothes, bags etc being loaded in the back.

Probably overkill, but my idea was that this would be a 'sandwich' kind of mount, with the load of the wheel being taken in part by more of the door's strengthening ribs, via the chequer plate.

That explanation's probably not worked too well... Shocked Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #968402 20th Oct 2022 9:21am
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Dinnu wrote:
excossack wrote:


This is what I have


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Sorry no ideas here other than perhaps go to one of the aftermarket gas struts.


that was my thought as well. 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #968408 20th Oct 2022 9:49am
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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
donmacn wrote:
I can say that the Nakatanenga upper gas strut is a nice piece of kit. I'm happy with it after maybe 2 years.

On the other question about drilling holes/using screws to hold things in place, can I put in a vote for using rivnuts. This is what I did when I built up my rear door - and once you start using them, you see other uses all over the place. If you're drilling a hole in a galvanised door for a screw, you might as well drill a slightly bigger one for a rivnut. You can get stainless ones, and I've used M4 or M5 in the doors.

I think I've used a company called rivetwise a few times, and a hand-grip setting tool isn't too expensive.


I hadn't considered Rivnuts (off to google to see how they work) 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #968409 20th Oct 2022 9:52am
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donmacn



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Hi john,

If you can use pop-rivets, you can use rivnuts! Once you get to M8 or above they are a bit of a squeeze with a simple hand tool - or maybe I've just got girly hands! - but there's ways round that.

THe only 'downside' as far as I can see is that you need to be a bit more precise in measuring up, to make sure that the holes in your door card, or whatever, need to line up better with the rivnuts, and of course that you make sure the drill doesn't slip/slide when making the hole. If I'm honest, a few of the holes in my chequer door cover which could have been 5mm ended up as 6.5mm just to allow that little adjustment.

If you're interested, there's my 'rebuild' thread in my signature. If you go to the lower part of page 6 you can see where I was fitting my new door - which looks exactly like the one you have. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #968411 20th Oct 2022 10:20am
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excossack



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Cheers Don. Just looking around the rivnuts do indeed appear to be the same process as rivets
I did take a look at your thread and yup pretty much the same door. Like you, I had thought about adding some sound deadening to the door as well. 1999 Defender TD5 110

Regards
John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #968414 20th Oct 2022 10:43am
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geobloke



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excossack wrote:
geobloke wrote:
Good effort John Thumbs Up I have four doors painted up for Miffy. Do fancy doing those as well Rolling with laughter


Cheers. It was over a couple of nights after work. I can pop down and lend a hand if you want.


That's very kind fella Thumbs Up What I need to do first is find some shelter before I start this job. Plus I need a few other bits before I begin too Smile
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