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MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 |
I got loads of help from this forum, planning to do an early-life oil change. I was spurred-on even more by BigMike's post:
I thought I would post this, to help others in the same state - planning a oils service... Engine Oil Engine oil is easy to do. You'll need 27mm & 13mm sockets, new oil, filter, torque wrench, drain bucket and about half-an-hour. Get the truck level, and slide in from the front (you do the filter & drain from under), you'll see this: Click image to enlarge Oil filter is the dome on the left (passenger side of vehicle), with a 27mm hex on the bottom. Oil drain is the 13mm obvious drain on the bottom of the sump (top right of photo). Loosen the filter first (you'll need a long extension bar, as it's well recessed above), let the oil dribble before you remove the plastic dome completely. Then take out the 13mm sump plug, and let the oil sump drain. When you remove the filter completely, it's a small paper-type element which just fits back into the plastic dome. You get a new O ring with the filter, so change that too. It holds around 7 litres, so make sure you have something big enough to hold all the old oil...and it DOES come out fast so be prepared. It should be warm, so it drains better. The oil is Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 A1 Fully Synthetic Engine Oil (Recommended by Ford) - you will need 7 litres. Most buy 2 x 4 Litre cans from Opie Oils. When refitting, you can re-use the oil drain plug, it has a rubberised washer. Tightening torques are: Oil Drain plug: 23nm Oil Filter housing 25nm When I put the new filter in, I filled the filter & plastic cup with some new oil first, to make sure the engine got oil as fast as possible when started-up. I put just over 6 litres of new oil in the normal route, then checked the dipstick, and it was already showing on the dipstick, I put a bit more in, and started the engine, ran it for a minute, and then left it to settle. Once settled for a few mins, I then topped it up to the full mark on the dipstick. That was slightly less than 7 litres. The Puma has 1 filter, part number LR004459. Gearbox Uses 2.2 litres GL4. I used Castrol Syntrans Multivehicle 75W-90 Fully Synthetic MTF (Replaces SMX S 75w-85). You need a T50 Torx for the fill and drain. Remove filler first just to make sure. A bit of a sod to get at the filler (note not a level plug) plug as you'll see on the photos further down. You'll need a T50 that will actually fit in this clearance... Once you remove the drain, it empties quite quickly. Worryingly I only got just over 2 litres out of mine, it must have been slightly short on oil. The original fluid also smelled of acetate ... Refilling is a pain, as the filler is up behind the exhaust and the driveshaft (assuming you have warmed the vehicle, it's likely you'll scald yourself on the exhaust), you'll need some way of getting the new oil in (a pump) I bought a fence-spraying 5litre job from B&Q for about �16: Click image to enlarge and attached a metal "hook" into the gearbox: Click image to enlarge shown here inserted (you can see how tight the clearances are to get your hand in there): Click image to enlarge Once that's all in place, all I had to do was pump 2.2 litres of new oil into the gearbox (a good time to grease the propshafts) Remember the filler plug is NOT a level plug, you need to measure the oil...2.2 litres for a service change. Tightening Torques: Gearbox Drain Plug: 50nm Gearbox Filler Plug: 35nm Transfer Box No Photos here, you need a half-inch square drive for fill and drain plugs. Loosen the filler first - clearance is tight as it's tucked-up 10cm North West of the output shaft and gives an access issue, as it's tight to the handbrake drum. Drain comes out easy with the half inch drive. This drain plug has a magnet on it (strange the gearbox doesn't). Using the 1 litre oil bottles the oil comes in, I managed to re-fill without using the pump, just with the bottles. Refill to the level plug (2.4 litres). I used Fuchs Titan Race SYN 5 75W-90 Fully Synthetic Gear Oil (was Silkolene SYN 5 75w-90) - this one's GL5. Tightening Torques: Transfer Box Filler: 30nm Transfer Box Drain Plug: 30nm. When I measured the oil taken out, I only measured 2 litres...it must have been a bit short...I'll be keeping an eye on it over coming weeks. I'll be doing the axles next, but that looks (hopefully) a lot more straightforward... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) Last edited by MartinK on 6th Aug 2018 8:58am. Edited 5 times in total |
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19th Oct 2011 3:57pm |
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bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 |
great post Martin
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19th Oct 2011 6:07pm |
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terrierman Member Since: 07 Oct 2010 Location: Berkshire Posts: 18 |
Many thanks for taking the time to share this. Often these things seem rather daunting to unseasoned landy owners and having some pics and good description really helps.
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19th Oct 2011 6:58pm |
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MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 |
Thanks for the comments, gents.
It's from a Laser Tools 4385 mini-pump. I had actually used this mini pump to refill the gearbox on my old Discovery TD5...it took AGES! I took the plastic hose and it's bent "hook" off the mini-upmp, and used them to extend the hose on the B&Q sprayer. Worked a treat. I had looked at the Difflock OilSafe which does the same job, but costed £100! Here's a link to the rather nice OilSafe one at Difflock. Had it been cheaper, I would have bought one...but at £98 it's a bit too much £... http://shop.difflock.com/oilsafe-pump-litre-p-93.html - hence the trip to B&Q earlier this week. The B&Q pump I loaded with 2.2 litres of oil, and once I'd pumped it about 20 times, it dispensed half the oil (in a couple of mins whilst I got a grease gun onto the prop shafts), and then a few more pumps to re-pressure it and the job was done! Great! Re the hook - you could probably use a short length of copper microbore from the plumbers merchant... Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) Last edited by MartinK on 20th Oct 2011 3:22pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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19th Oct 2011 7:24pm |
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Martin Site Admin Member Since: 02 Apr 2007 Location: Hook Norton Posts: 6604 |
Stickied 1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
2015 D90 XS SW |
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20th Oct 2011 8:21am |
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DefenderOfTheEarth Member Since: 09 Nov 2010 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 1304 |
Brilliant! However my indy has just done this for me (at 42k miles) and looking at the above, I'm glad he did! I'd completely and utterly mess that up! Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion.
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20th Oct 2011 8:24am |
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Bill Member Since: 20 May 2011 Location: Wicklow Posts: 39 |
Brilliant 08 Puma 90xs
BMW R1150R KXF250 Keep On Truckin |
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20th Oct 2011 9:29am |
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dilukabey Member Since: 17 May 2011 Location: Sri Lanka Posts: 173 |
How often do you have to change the gear box oil, diff oil and transfer box oil? Mine has gone pass 21000 miles and I guess my previous owner hasn't changed either.
With hotter climate countries, is there any specific oil type or is it just same as what book says? |
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23rd Oct 2011 6:08am |
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MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 |
Here's the maintenance schedule for PUMA:
Click image to enlarge 80,000km for transfer box & axles 200,000km for gearbox. But you should increase this maintenance frequency under hard usage (and for peace of mind!). Here's the "Arduous Usage" recommendations Click image to enlarge So if you are towing frequently or driving in mountainous conditions ("Z") you should change the transmission oil & Engine oil more frequently (12,000 miles or 12 months). If you're offroading a lot ("Y"), the you should increase the service frequency on components such as the Aux belt & also greasing props (the greasing is pretty logical). Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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23rd Oct 2011 9:00am |
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Jammer600 Member Since: 27 Feb 2011 Location: Bath/Warminster Posts: 306 |
Is it castrol edge oil? Or magnatec?!
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22nd Dec 2011 6:41pm |
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Bearcat Member Since: 09 Dec 2011 Location: Dublin Posts: 57 |
I just did my 90 yesterday, fiddly bloody jobs changing all the fluids but I have access to a ramp.. Mine is a 07 with 70k miles on her with a full LR dealer history which in my world means sfa......in the uk it means something over here dealers just bless cars and do the minimalist approach and then folk wonder why their gearboxes just collapse at 80k. Fuel filter was manky, never changed, changed the tx box oil, gearbox oil, spheres everything......alll the fluids really were tired and smelly. My advise 70k change your fluids down below. My gearbox change now is much more fluid pardon ze pun. Current...07 90 Puma commercial
Porsche 930 1988 (laid up) Previous Td5 90 & V8 90 |
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20th Jan 2012 10:07am |
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Lou Sparts Member Since: 15 Apr 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 1501 |
I don,t know if this would work on a puma but on my TD5 i feed a length of clear plastic pipe down to the gearbox filler plug from under the bonnet poke a small funnel in the end of the pipe and pour the oil in and let gravity do the work. No mess ,minimal expense. 2005 Td5 90 XS
Steve |
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26th Apr 2012 6:41pm |
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bpman Member Since: 21 May 2008 Location: Oslo Posts: 8069 |
just make sure you don't overfill ... it's not upto the level of the plug on a tdci (not sure about a td5) |
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26th Apr 2012 7:15pm |
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Lou Sparts Member Since: 15 Apr 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 1501 |
The R380 gearbox on the Td5 has a filler/level plug but even so i usually borrow one of Mrs Sparts nice measuring jugs to pour from (only when she,s out of course). Could do the same to get the correct quantity in the Puma gearbox. 2005 Td5 90 XS
Steve |
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26th Apr 2012 8:05pm |
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