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Stiff1



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
Puma Wipers
So the wipers packed up yesterday.

They have stuck in the vertical position once or twice in the past few weeks and a bit of a manual shove got them going again with full power so I don't think its electrical and they always stopped vertically.

I have changed the park switch in the old 300 in the past but I suspect this more the mechanism and may be a dash out job. I have followed many of the threads on wiper problems over the years rather smugly so now its my turn.

Do the symptoms point to a definitive diagnosis?

Thanks in advance.
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ickle



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seizing spindles / rack
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Stiff1



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Meaning... pry dash back a bit and lubricate and free up or dash out and replace?
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ickle



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If you search I think it was Blackwolf who wrote an excellent 'how to' set of instructions, I can't remember if he covered it there or someone else in another post, but remember to mark the 12pm point on the spindles, withdraw the rack slowly and carefully, re grease everything and free off spindles if you're not replacing them, then make sure the marks are at 6pm point when it goes back together so the spindle has a fresh set of teeth.

HTH Keith
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Stiff1



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Yes, have seen that excellent write up, I am wondering more what can be accomplished without removing the dash.

Going to try freeing up and lubricating from the outside first as described.
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ickle



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Mines a left hooker so I was able to just slacken everything off enough to access the motor, remove the motor and then service the rack - but I didn't have the column or instruments to deal with.

I think I've read on here others have managed the same in a right hand drive.

Good luck!
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Mo Murphy



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Most likely you'll need to replace the wiper boxes and the drive cable. Bearmach do OEM wiper boxes which are indeed the real thing without the LR boxes and prices.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

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Nidge



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As above most likely wheel boxes....There is also an aftermarket option... Whistle





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Stiff1



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So copious amount of 3in1 to the outer spindles and a lot more force than I was comfortable with and all working.

Kept them going for a good hour with repeated sprays of 3in1.

There is a definite hard click in the action so clearly going to need disassembly... another day.

Thank you for all the advice.
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dorsetsmith



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Pack some silicon grease in to back of the rubber boot that's over the end help to stop water being driven in


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Ianh



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Like dorsetsmith after oiling spindles I seal with grease but use red rubber grease under the rubber boots as its rubber friendly.
Also if your rubber spindle boots are deteriorating you can get replacement ones off a well know auction site.
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Oldowner



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Stiff1 wrote:
So copious amount of 3in1 to the outer spindles and a lot more force than I was comfortable with and all working.

Kept them going for a good hour with repeated sprays of 3in1.

There is a definite hard click in the action so clearly going to need disassembly... another day.

Thank you for all the advice.


The click is usually the spindle moving in and out with the change of direction. You can remove the back of the wheel box and bend the tang in slightly to take out the freeplay in the spindle. But on a Puma by the time you’ve stripped the dash out you might as well fit new OEM wheel boxes, and flip the rack cable over to present the unworn side to the spindles.

I have fitted design and development wheel boxes and they are very good.
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X4SKP



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Hello Stiff1

I suspect you have achieved a delay in the inevitable (but well done)
keep 'feeding' them with lubricant and you may get through winter.

I could not free up mine recently, so took on the replacement big job and lesson learnt,
regular maintenance Penetrating Oil / ACF50 down spindle and grease in rubber cap on
the Spindle.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic57900-15.html

Good Luck... Thumbs Up SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html
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