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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4206   
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The other thing the throw in is ease of fitting if you are doing it yourself. I understand some of the bushes are much easier to fit in polyurethane form than in factory OEM guise. I think it might be the front arm to axle ones. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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13th Aug 2021 10:25pm |
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| Oldowner Member Since: 26 Dec 2018 Location: South west Posts: 620 
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Superpro don’t have any anti roll bar related bushes in the kit. Nor damper bushes.
I also had to use my press to fit Superpro front radius arm bushes from memory as they are one piece unlike other poly bush brands who produce them in two piece. |
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14th Aug 2021 5:34am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3414  
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Not a big fan of polyurethane bushes anymore...
What I found is that water can get between the polyurethane and the links, whichever that may be and corrodes it as there is no outer metal sleeve. Some have even reported wear on the links themselves. Never had corrosion issues after removing old OEM bushes. I had installed polyurethane bushes on some links many moons ago.. although the polyurethane did not split, nor perished, they hardened, so to me still failed and need replacement. I am replacing with OEM/Genuine. Edit: Ohh and they were a bitch to remove the old bushes (1 piece) and still needed a press. Thanks to the combination of the hardened polyurethane and the rust scale. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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14th Aug 2021 5:49am |
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| nickhodgson Member Since: 08 Dec 2009 Location: Zambia Posts: 174 
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Hi
I would second what's said above with my opinion / experience - poly bushes will wear your suspension arms. Personally I would go with Genuine Bushes (despite the cost). If your existing ones did 11 years then you can expect Genuine replacements to do at least that again. The OEM bushes do not have metalastin stamped in the rubber that is stamped on existing Genuine bushes and if you compare Genuine vs OEM there are differences - possibly OEM bushes are made by manufacturers who make other OEM components. Again my opinions / experience having changed dozens of Defender and Discovery 1 bushes over the last 24 years. Hope that helps Nick 1995 300tdi Defender 90 P/UP 2011 Puma Defender 130 D/C 2000 300tdi Defender 110 P/UP 2015 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE |
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14th Aug 2021 4:56pm |
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| Gasket Member Since: 30 May 2020 Location: Manchester Posts: 629 |
Thank you very much everyone.
I’m quietly relieved - I do prefer to keep things stick unless there’s a glaring reason not to. So genuine it is. I’m off to start trawling through the parts catalogues to build up a list of part numbers. |
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14th Aug 2021 7:46pm |
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| Gasket Member Since: 30 May 2020 Location: Manchester Posts: 629 |
Trying to work out what's in a set is more work than I thought it would be.
Had a stab, but am going to have to check and double check it as some of the genuine bushes are quite expensive!  Click image to enlarge |
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14th Aug 2021 10:17pm |
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| Retroanaconda Member Since: 04 Jan 2012 Location: Scotland Posts: 2639 
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You don’t need shock absorber bushes, the new shocks will come with them.
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15th Aug 2021 7:28am |
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| jimbo55 Member Since: 15 Jul 2020 Location: Midlands Posts: 399
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Up until maybe 5 years ago there was no real question, genuine were the way to go. However since Defender production stopped, the supplier has changed (can’t remember the names) and the quality is no where near what it used to be and they don’t last as long. If you want the genuine type bush, you mash as well just fit britpart, etc. As they will now last nearly as long and cost a lot less.
Pretty much all kits don’t include the anti roll bars as they aren’t standard on all vehicles and if you’re needing to replace shock bushes then it’s most likely that you’ll be needing to replace the shocks anyway. I went for superpro all round and they’ve been good for the last few thousand miles but will see how they go longer term. Says a lot when the likes of gwyn lewis, irb, etc. Who would all have recommended genuine a few years ago have all changed to superpro |
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15th Aug 2021 8:06am |
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| hank Member Since: 12 Sep 2016 Location: South Wales Posts: 2296  
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Out of interest, what is a reasonable ball park time estimate to do front and rear arm bushes and a frame to chassis bushes? > 110 XS Double Cab
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16th Aug 2021 8:58am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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SuperPro all the way
Just about to swap out a set after 12 years on the Td5 110. They have been exceptional, covered 10s and 10s and 10s of thousands of miles on and off road. The cheapest place to buy them at the moment is Recovery4x4; https://www.recovery4x4.co.uk/superpro-299-c.asp You will also need the bolt kit for your year as well and for this Britpart do handy kits that are excellent quality. For a post 2002 Defender 110 these are: DA7208 Rear kit DA7204 Front kit The best bit is that once you have gone SuperPro you can replace the bushes at home without a press, drilling or burning out the old ones. As for replacing standard bushes (like for like) by a garage, budget on at least a days labour. Those bushes can be an utter pig to get out. Click image to enlarge |
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16th Aug 2021 9:33am |
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| Linds Hanson Member Since: 16 Jan 2021 Location: Cornwall Posts: 485
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Agree on Genuine bushes not being what they used to be, also agree on polybushes wearing mating surfaces. We do use Superpro as they are the best polybush manufacturer but there have been delivery problems of late. We never fit polyurathane bushes to the later TD5 on Panhard rod as the Genuine bush works much better in this application.
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16th Aug 2021 9:34am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3414
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Day 1. Remove link, remove bushes, prep for painting, apply etch primer.
Day 2. Apply under coat and final coat Day 3. Wait a bit more for the paint to get harder. Day 4. Install bushes and install back in Defender. Day 5. Congratulate yourself.. and remove next link..... Well, that is what I did.... and it snow balled into a full restoration. I am sure others can do it in a much shorter time though. Really a ball park figure.. maybe about 4hrs, assuming bolts are not stubborn enough. I used half day just to remove one bolt from the lower rear trailing link. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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16th Aug 2021 9:37am |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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Ha that's funny, I was just thinking about painting the arms whilst off the vehicle...
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16th Aug 2021 9:41am |
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| Gasket Member Since: 30 May 2020 Location: Manchester Posts: 629 |
Right - after breathing a sigh of relief that sticking with Genuine was the right way forward (am a bit of a genuine Parts anorak), I think I'm going to have to go the Superpro route.
The comments above about the quality of genuine parts post 2016 got me doing a bit of research and there's a few places saying the same thing - Gywn Lewis included: From their website: “OEM” and “G” bushes just aren’t made to the same quality as original Production Line Genuine bushes were when the Defender was still in production, finding quality Genuine bushes now is getting very difficult which is why we are using SuperPro bushes as the best available alternative. Nevertheless I persevered. Assuming my list above is correct (and noting the comment on shock absorber bushes not being needed at this stage), I went through every parts supplier, the LRWorkshop comparison tool, Blanchards and ebay. The best price I could get for a set of Genuine Land Rover bushes was £400 - and that's spread across 8 different suppliers. My issue is less the price, I'm not to bothered about that, rather its that I had to delve to the very bottom of the internet to find some of them in Genuine boxes. That tells me that LR are no longer holding or making stock - which means that in the future, whether replacing bushes individually or en-mass I'm never again going to be able to find a set of Genuine bushes. And the anecdotal evidence is that after all this effort, these Genuine bushes may not be made to the same quality as those fitted to my vehicle from the factory. So Superpro it is. Before I click through on my order, could I ask one more question? I intend to keep the suspension (springs/dampers) completely stock. As such, is there any downside to using Superpro bushes with standard suspension - its not going to rattle my teeth out or anything like that is it? |
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16th Aug 2021 10:30pm |
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