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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727   
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I was kind of hoping this wouldn't happen, but I guess it shouldn't come as a big shock:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57833807 but the EU is looking to ban both petrol and diesel sales (not cars - we knew these were being banned sooner anyway) within 20 years. If this happens, even if good old blighty doesn't do this, I guess this blocks us driving through Europe in our older gas guzzling pollution-mobiles? I had hoped that we'd still be able to drive old/classic cars for the forseeable future. Motor racing sure is going to be dull without fuel. No F1, MotoGP, Rallycross, Rallying, LeMans...? sheesh I hope this planet is worth saving. <EDIT> the cheeky monkeys at the BBC have edited that article, to now say ban the sale of diesel and petrol cars. It said fuel earlier! Maybe there is still light at the end of the tunnel? I'm sure I didn't misread it :/ 2005 Td5 90 XS 1989 V8 110 CSW |
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14th Jul 2021 5:18pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4216  
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It’ll be fine until the volume of IC cars vehicles to the point that fuel stations aren’t viable any more. Then you’ll be carefully planning routes to pass the remaining places available, and/or you’ll keep a drum in your garage and only go as far as a tank will allow.
I still think some sort of bio fuel is going to have to replace diesel in the medium term as non of the proposed future technologies are ready for HGVs yet. They’ve been talking about over head wires to power trucks on motorways, but I know for a fact that many bridges are not high enough to accommodate the wires and still allow a high trailer to pass. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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14th Jul 2021 5:26pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3507 
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Even if it is not banned, I’m sure all governments will be upping the tax on fossil fuels in the future so those who have ICE vehicles are coerced into changing to whatever the alternative is.
Just listening to PM on Radio 4 and there seems to be concern that all governments are relying on innovations for decarbonising which in some cases were just ‘pie in the sky’. There were also reports that fuel oil for ships will be heavily taxed |
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14th Jul 2021 5:28pm |
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| Bows Member Since: 07 May 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 513  
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Good old EU, they sure know what they’re doing……. 2006 TD5110 station wagon
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14th Jul 2021 5:30pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4216
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To be honest, shipping does need to clean up its act and if shipping things half way round the world becomes a bit more expensive then it’s a price worth paying. It’s ridiculous how much cheap waste of space junk comes here from places like China. It’s stupid, wasteful and unsustainable. I do contribute to it, but it is very difficult to buy things more locally as things are 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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14th Jul 2021 5:34pm |
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| Mike c Member Since: 11 Aug 2017 Location: Maldon, Essex Posts: 930 
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This is thing, nobody mentions that, the amount plastic crap from China etc
Hopefully electric conversions will become more affordable as time goes on.... |
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14th Jul 2021 5:38pm |
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| Bows Member Since: 07 May 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 513
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It’s a very often used statement, but where will the electric come from? I live in very rural west Wales. Nothing has happened in the last 5 years or more to encourage the switch to electric cars. We are a million miles from going all electric. I’m not at all against the idea, but sooooooo much needs to be done. It’s taken a decade to widen a stretch of the M4, no way will we be able to go all electric by the dates being quoted. I’m waiting to see how these car manufacturers get on after the dates they claim to be stopping production of petrol and diesel cars. I reckon they’ll be pushing those dates on, and on , and on. 2006 TD5110 station wagon
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14th Jul 2021 5:45pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3507
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Couldn’t agree more. But the Far East also manufactures lots of useful stuff that all gets shipped by container. Lots of our food comes into the UK by container.
Shipping goes up in price, we all suffer  |
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14th Jul 2021 5:46pm |
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| Hairy Dan Member Since: 25 Apr 2013 Location: NW Durham Posts: 1418 
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Harry Metcalfe has a Youtube channel called Harry's Farm and he has just been to visit JCB and look at their work with replacing diesel engines with Hydrogen powered engines, I for one found it interesting
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14th Jul 2021 5:47pm |
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| Bows Member Since: 07 May 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 513
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Hydrogen power seems have been overlooked recently. There was quite a bit of talk of hydrogen cars a few years ago but all that seems to have gone to electric. 2006 TD5110 station wagon
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14th Jul 2021 5:51pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4216
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In principle it’s a good idea, but in practice Hydrogen is fraught with problems in the manufacture, distribution and storage. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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14th Jul 2021 6:06pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5829  
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The EU has brought these plans out to achieve its stated aims of reducing its C02 emissions by 55% of 1990 levels by 2050. Since 1990 it has already achieved a 25% reduction and now stands at approx 2.5mt of C02 per year. Ursula bin Laden wants Europe to ‘lead the world’.
In the same timeframe (since 1990) global emissions have gone up by 50% and the big three players (China -10mt, US -6.5mt, and India -2.5mt) are still producing 20mt of C02 emissions between them. But we in the West cannot conveniently forget, as we live in warmth and comfort, with stable jobs and good healthcare systems, that these emissions are as a result of their industrial revolutions, which we benefited from 150+ years ago. We cannot deny wealth, education and safety to the population of 3/4 of the planet Total global emissions are roughly 34mt so those three countries produce approx 60% on there own. Interestingly global emissions have floated around 34-35mt for the past decade. What’s more, they plan to tax aviation fuel. Aviation in all its guises (business, freight and tourism) is what has allowed us sto advance as a species, has enabled growth, cultural development, aid, health and, in some regards, equality. Whilst per capita it is a huge footprint, in real terms it accounts for a little 1bn of all the pollution (as I said, offering incredible benefits) or just 2% of the total. By any other measure, this is just a wealth tax. So whilst these ideas by the EU are admirable, nobody wants a dead planet after all, another 30% lopped off 1990s levels (so getting close to 1.5mt/annum) won’t make a scrap of difference globally, just accounting for a global reduction of about 1.5%, but will cost a fortune, massively impact people’s lives, annoy people, require huge cultural changes and social upheaval etc etc, mainly to appease the green lobby. Targeting flights is a wonderfully emotive approach. Get the big three, or even just the big two, to reduce their over reliance on coal, and we’d be well on the way and it would offer far greater benefits as a result. Reducing the global population would be a far, far better approach. Reduce the population, or at least growth, stem or reduce the demand. In 1970, London had a population of 7.5m, and now it is 9m or 0.4%/year. In the same timeframe Lagos went from 1.5m to 15m or 18%/year. And that’s not unusual in the third world. And whilst these countries remain in poverty, so these rates of growth will continue. In the ‘West’ birth rates have stagnated. But that growth is tied inextricably with current C02 growth: steel production for infrastructure projects, food production etc. Just my POV  Monsieur Le Grenadier
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14th Jul 2021 6:15pm |
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| Bluest Member Since: 23 Apr 2016 Location: Lancashire Posts: 4216
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It’s a fair point. It’s a global problem. It is pointless individual nations punishing themselves back into the dark ages if others are living it up burning coal and gas for fun. And this is why I have the rather pessimistic view that the planet is ultimately screwed as far as habitation by the human race is concerned. The money would better off given to Space X so we can go and start fresh ruining another planet.
We do have the power to influence the likes of China, India and even US by refusing to trade with them. But that won’t happen because too many personal fortunes depend on it continuing. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS |
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14th Jul 2021 6:24pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3403 
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Isn’t Porsche looking into synthetic fuels? 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
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14th Jul 2021 7:51pm |
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