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MarcusM



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I have cut something off I shouldn't have....HELP!
Hello all

Whilst taking off an old steering guard that was rusted solid to replace with a new ORE one I got a bit carried away with the angle grinder... As a result I have cut through two bolts that in hindsight look quite important to holding my Defender together.

One of the issues I foresee is I cannot seem to see the other end of the top one on each side...

Any help would be much appreciated plus what replacement bolts I need.

Thanks in advance

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blackwolf



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Panhard rod brackets on the offside, two bolts:

    FC112326 - (1/2UNF X 6.1/4")
    FC112246 - (1/2UNF X 4.3/4")

From the 2007 on parts catalogue, and, yes, they really are UNF bolts on a 21st century vehicle!

Since the panhard rod is only fixed to the chassis at the offside, it is probable that the bolts on the nearside only held your steering guard.
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MarcusM



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This is amazingly helpful- thanks BlackWolf really appreciate it Keswick green 2007 Defender 90 TD5
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Oldowner



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blackwolf wrote:
Panhard rod brackets on the offside, two bolts:

    FC112326 - (1/2UNF X 6.1/4")
    FC112246 - (1/2UNF X 4.3/4")

From the 2007 on parts catalogue, and, yes, they really are UNF bolts on a 21st century vehicle!


They aren’t UNF, they are M12 starting from two years into the 21st century.
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They aren’t UNF, they are M12 starting from two years into the 21st century. o no they are not
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blackwolf



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As noted in my post, I am just quoting the parts list. This clearly states the numbers I gave as applicable to 2007 on vehicles, those part numbers are UNF.

To resolve this I have just had a look at my 2007 2.4 110 and the Panhard rod bracket bolts are definitely 1/2" UNF, confirmed both by bolt head markings and AF measurement, and not M12.
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Romadog



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Where I got my replacements

https://yrmit.co.uk/?s=steering+bolt&post_type=product
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Oldowner



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blackwolf wrote:
As noted in my post, I am just quoting the parts list. This clearly states the numbers I gave as applicable to 2007 on vehicles, those part numbers are UNF.

To resolve this I have just had a look at my 2007 2.4 110 and the Panhard rod bracket bolts are definitely 1/2" UNF, confirmed both by bolt head markings and AF measurement, and not M12.


Try ordering a set then and see what Land Rover provide:

https://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/145...anged_head

https://www.brit-car.co.uk/product.php/145...mm_flanged
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Oldowner



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blackwolf



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Fair enough, but it doesn't alter the parts list and doesn't alter what is on my vehicle. I suspect that it is another cost-cutting exercise by LR.
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https://www.lrworkshop.com/parts/FC112326
https://www.lrworkshop.com/parts/FC112246

LR list these (or have listed these) as 1/2 UNF. Even the matching nut FY112056 is listed as 1/2 UNF on the 2007 on diagram:

https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...s_44790#21

However these are all M12, the part numbers decode like this:

FC               1     12   32                 6
Fastener type  METRIC  M12  Length/5 = 160mm   Variant/Finish

Similar for the Nut - xx112xxx is an M12 nut

Td5 and earlier are definitely 1/2 UNF, this is up to 2006:

https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...s_52609#20

Part number e.g. BH608381 decodes as:

BH               6      08            38              1
Fastener type    UNF    x/16ths       x/8ths          Variant/Finish
Bolt Hex?               inch = 0.5"   inch = 4.75"

Another case of LR copying the parts sheet over to the Puma, but in this case only changing half the info (the part numbers and not the description).

http://fuddymuckers.co.uk/tools/lrfasteners.html

(Yes I've been wrong about this in the past, now corrected)  1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top
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blackwolf



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The part number decode is interesting. Curious that my '07 Puma definitely has UNF fasteners!

The only consistent thing is the inconsistency. Rolling with laughter
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MarcusM



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Thanks for all the replies guys- I’ve ordered a set from YMrit
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If this was a social media post I'd be saying 'I was today years old when I discovered this'.

Absolutely brilliant bit of info - I've been looking at parts books for 30 odd years and never ever knew or suspected that there was a coding in the number.

Martin wrote:

However these are all M12, the part numbers decode like this:

FC               1     12   32                 6
Fastener type  METRIC  M12  Length/5 = 160mm   Variant/Finish

Similar for the Nut - xx112xxx is an M12 nut

Part number e.g. BH608381 decodes as:

BH               6      08            38              1
Fastener type    UNF    x/16ths       x/8ths          Variant/Finish
Bolt Hex?               inch = 0.5"   inch = 4.75"

Another case of LR copying the parts sheet over to the Puma, but in this case only changing half the info (the part numbers and not the description).

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I notice also that the metric parts are flange head and the UN parts were not. Again I suspect that this is financially-driven since it eliminates the need to stock (and manage the stockholding of) and fit washers, which in volume manufacture must make a worthwhile difference.
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