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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324  
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1. Despite what the website says, I don't think there's any difference between the units. Don't forget you'll either need an adjustable LED flasher relay or to add resistors to each lamp for these to work properly.
2. This is a challenge. You can buy some very nice warm white LED bulbs for regular units, which are a good compromise. The only problem though is that they look very different to standard headlights. Having just returned to halogen headlight bulbs from LED ones, I've also changed the sidelights back to incandescent bulbs, too. 3. I've got one of the cheaper versions - from Bolt on Bits, IIRC - and it works very well. I have, however, added a clip-on ferrite ring to the wiring as it interfered with my aftermarket radio slightly (although not with the original LR one). I went for LED bulbs for the fog and reverse lights as decent full LED ones are stupidly expensive 
It's also worth noting that by using LED stop/tail lights, it's possible to alter their position slightly so that they sit within the line of the bodywork rather than slightly proud if using the original bulb holders.  Click image to enlarge More details here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/post861046.html#861046 Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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15th Mar 2021 7:09am |
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| swt Member Since: 24 Aug 2018 Location: Cumbria Posts: 163 
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I had the same problem matching indicators and sidelights at the front. I went for J W Speaker indicators and DRL sidelights at the front, and Perei LEDs on the back. I quite like the look of the J W Speakers on their little plinths, but it's down to personal taste, as you say.
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15th Mar 2021 10:45am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372 
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Without wanting to go all "Brendan" on this thread, it is worth bearing in mind that fitting a non-E-marked LED bulb into any E-marked light unit is still as illegal as it always has been, whether or not it is a headlight, it is just that unlike the headlights (now) it shouldn't cause an MoT failure. It is still technically illegal. Personally I also think that upgrading from incandescent bulbs to good quality LED bulbs provides a huge improvement in illumination, and, like the old tyre advertisement said, "I am convinced it is a major contribution to road safety". I think it both absurd and rather sad that it is unlawful on a technicality and not for any sensible reason. Neither do I think that fitting such bulbs indicates any particular propensity for wider criminal or antisocial behaviour. I think it is useful however that people are properly informed before choosing their own actions. |
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15th Mar 2021 11:17am |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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I did the side light replacement to LED first and it makes the standard headlights look very lacklustre. It was a good excuse to shell out on some EVO2s....
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15th Mar 2021 11:36am |
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| glpinxit Member Since: 31 Jul 2010 Location: rural Somerset Posts: 156
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Recognising that the law doesn’t always give the ‘best’ outcome but it isn’t flexible, I’m looking for solutions that will pass an MOT administered by a pedantic tester. Simple question- could I use the Perei/Lite-wire 95mm reversing units as front sidelights? Cheers, Guy.
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15th Mar 2021 8:48pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2148 
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Presume the new MOT rules were based around the pretty poor and often dazzling chinesium HID units........
I have 2x different vehicles with H4 lamps, both fitted with high quality LED bulbs and both had passed MOT's with different testers / stations in the very recent past with not one mention of anything untoward..... Technically illegal they may be but neither tester could determine any issues with beam pattern, etc and so they didn't register?? |
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15th Mar 2021 8:56pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17372
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They might be considered too bright. Historically side and tail lights were limited to 5W, and reverse lights were 21W and you wouldn't have got away with it. Now the Watt as a measure of brightness is meaningless I have no idea how light output is measured and assessed and you may be ok. |
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15th Mar 2021 10:34pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3372
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You might confuse oncoming traffic thinking you're reversing at 60mph
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15th Mar 2021 11:13pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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There's no 'technically' about it. The most recent changes to the MOT make fitting an LED bulb in a headlight designed for halogens a specific fail item. I'm surprised that so many testers seem to be missing them at the moment but I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Have a look at the 'cheapskate led' thread for the details. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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16th Mar 2021 9:01am |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2148
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I'm fully aware and happy to be 'failed' BUT they aren't the heinous crime some are making them out to be and the only cars (apart from Macdonalds wannabees) that I have dazzle issue with are modern LED set-ups.......
indeed lots of modern cars don't allow simple things like indicators to be seen clearly but its fine as they are probably saving the planet......... ultimately unless the tester is informed how is he going to know how every car left the factory?? and if they pass beam / dazzle tests then its a suitable light source like most things they have used a sledgehammer to crack an egg when there were already simple options for the tester to fail hideous lighting |
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16th Mar 2021 9:51am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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I'm not suggesting it's a heinous crime - merely that it's been made a specific reason for a fail. The fact that they pass a beam test is irrelevant under the new rule. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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16th Mar 2021 10:12am |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2148
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yes not yourself.............
as stated I'm happy to make a very informed choice about this, in the same way I make a very informed choice about national speed limit roads / motorways probably like 99% of this forum I am a fully paid up (many times across the various vehicles I own), legally abiding driver in 99% of circumstances / situations.......there are occasions when I make an informed & responsible choice to step outside of some things and I am very prepared to accept its not correct |
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16th Mar 2021 10:19am |
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| glpinxit Member Since: 31 Jul 2010 Location: rural Somerset Posts: 156
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To bring this thread back on topic...
I am only looking for suggestions and information about LED-specific lamp units. I think that the legal position has been well ventilated on this forum and the law is what it is. I’m booked in for a service and MOT in a fortnight and I will ask the Land Rover enthusiast who will be doing that what the rules would say about my ‘reversing light as sidelight’ question. If all else fails I’ll look at the other options but I don’t personally like the ‘ray-gun’ style of many lights. Cheers, Guy. |
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16th Mar 2021 12:25pm |
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| glpinxit Member Since: 31 Jul 2010 Location: rural Somerset Posts: 156
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A bit more Google-based research and I’ll definitely be talking to the tester:
The MOT guidance is online and seems quite clear. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection...-equipment I didn’t find anything in the guidance about the scope to use reversing lights as side-lights. Nor is there anything about putting an LED bulb into a light- unless it is a headlight when it says: “Existing halogen headlamp units should not be converted to be used with high intensity discharge (HID) or light emitting diode (LED) bulbs. If such a conversion has been done, you must fail the headlamp.” Cheers, Guy. |
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16th Mar 2021 12:52pm |
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